Ranger's training thread

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 15th, 2011, 5:37 am

macroth wrote: that's the only thing on display here, not training of any sort.
You're sorely mistaken about that.

For the last eight years, I have been showing all veterans exactly how to train.

To each his own, though.

If you don't want to get better, if you just want to get worse and worse, that's _your_ business.

Follow the traditional training plans.

Prepare to race, and then race.

Prepare to race, and then race.

Work on your fitness, rowing badly at high drag, ineffectively and inefficiently, while your fitness is declining.

Hey!

If you do this, you'll only get worse by a half a second per 500m per year!

That's a _great_ accomplishment!

No veteran has ever rowed well.

Why?

60s veterans have missed it by seven seconds per 500m, by a mile over 60min, by 100 watts, by 3 SPI, etc.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 15th, 2011, 5:43 am

ranger wrote:Image
Here's the major product of my training.

Now I am just enjoying the fruits.

95 df.

2.5-to-1 ratio

Drive time: .45 seconds

120 kg.F of peak force.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by macroth » April 15th, 2011, 5:47 am

ranger wrote:
macroth wrote: that's the only thing on display here, not training of any sort.
You're sorely mistaken about that.

For the last eight years, I have been showing all veterans exactly how to train.
No. You've talked about various things you wanted to do (in particular, increasing your daily sessions to xxK OTE and OTW, doing distance trials, doing distance training, sharpening), and proclaimed who knows how many times that your latest stroke was perfect and that whatever training you were claiming to be doing at the time was all you needed to do until the end of time, before changing your mind and finding new excuses again and again.

But you've never actually done those things or shown any evidence thereof. Even now, you're still taking frequent rests during your so-called distance rowing. :D

And your 2K times (your only public or verified performances) have gotten progressively worse, just like they do for any ageing athlete. :roll: Sure, no other veteran handles down and DNS's as often as you do. That's been your main contribution to the sport over the last 8 years.
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All time PBs: 100m 14.0 | 500m 1:18.1 | 1k 2:55.7 | 2k 6:15.4 | 5k 16:59.3 | 6k 20:46.5 | 10k 35:46.0
40+ PBs: 100m 14.7 | 500m 1:20.5 | 1k 2:59.6 | 2k 6:21.9 | 5k 17:29.6 | HM 1:19:33.1| FM 2:51:58.5 | 100k 7:35:09 | 24h 250,706m

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 15th, 2011, 5:48 am

http://www.ps-sport.net/pictures/Test01 ... akPaul.jpg

Here was my starting point.

1.5-to-1 ratio

200+ df.

90 kg.F of peak force.

Drive time: .6 seconds

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by PaulH » April 15th, 2011, 5:49 am

ranger wrote: Byron is a lying wimp.
Yep.

More ad hominem argument by those who have nothing substantial to say.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 15th, 2011, 5:59 am

macroth wrote:But you've never actually done those things or shown any evidence thereof.
I have just displayed the evidence.

My improvement has had nothing to do with fitness.

My fitness has been maximal for a decade.

My advance has been technical.

Back in 2002-2003, I rowed badly (10 SPI) at max drag (200+ df.).

Now I row well (13 SPI) at low drag (95 df.).

No veteran has ever rowed well.

60s veterans, both heavyweights and lightweights, have missed it by 7 seconds per 500m, a mile over 60min, 100 watts, 3 SPI, etc.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 15th, 2011, 6:06 am

Especially as an old guy, you can't go anywhere very fast, OTErg or OTW, if you row badly.

Aging has certain predictable effects.

But rowing badly is not one of them.

If you are serious about your rowing, there is no excuse for rowing badly.

No matter what your age, if you row badly, it means that you are either naive (i.e., you don't know what it is to row well) or don't care.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 15th, 2011, 6:16 am

In my training, I have raised my stroking power 30% and my peak force 35% while cutting my drive time 25% and increasing my ratio 70%, even though I am now ten years older.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 15th, 2011, 6:25 am

ranger wrote:In my training, I have raised my stroking power 30% and my peak force 35% while cutting my drive time 25% and increasing my ratio 70%, even though I am now ten years older.

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The C2 website (etc.) says nothing at all about how to do something like this.

There are no standard training plans for improving your rowing.

All standard training plans for rowing just concentrate on fitness.

The fitness of all veteran rowers is declining.

No veteran has ever rowed well.

Nothing prevents a veteran from rowing well.

Therefore, all standard training plans for rowing are inappropriate/perverse/counterproductive for veterans.

If a veteran rower spends all of their time trying to improve their fitness, they just get worse and worse--precipitously.

If a veteran rower spends all of their time trying to improve their rowing, they can get better and better, even though they are aging.

Over time, all veterans would do much better if they spent all of their training time learning to row well.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by snowleopard » April 15th, 2011, 6:39 am

ranger wrote:Byron is a lying wimp.
Odd that you should say that since Byron mostly posts digests of post made by you down the years which prove beyond doubt that you are a compulsive liar.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » April 15th, 2011, 6:49 am

BrianStaff wrote:J.... a stray single with an old fart aboard displaying dubious technique, especially a blue one with a "8+ notch" on its bow.

I've also told her if she gets close enough, she should bash him with her oar, especially if he's in the water.

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In the myth of Narcissus, doesn't the self-adoring one eventually fall into the water and drown?
:lol:

How apt!
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » April 15th, 2011, 6:56 am

A quick scan of responses to ranger-drivel indicates that there is no prospect for a FM by the end of the month.


sic transit gloria rangii
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- so: I was wrong again: I predicted he'd give up on April 22nd... but TSO has already thrown in the towel.
His wimpishness continues to amaze. Unprecedented! :)

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 15th, 2011, 7:01 am

mikvan52 wrote: there is no prospect for a FM by the end of the month.
On the contrary.

My FM training is coming along perfectly.

On schedule.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 15th, 2011, 7:03 am

Navigation Hazard wrote:Your 1:3 drive:recovery ratio at 1:40 pace 30 spm is utterly divorced from real-world rowing. You can't sustain it; you won't sustain it; you never will be able to sustain it.
If you train from the top down, from a FM to 2K, as I am doing (and have always done), there is no problem with sustained rowing using some technique (drag, ratio, peak force, drive time, SPI, etc.).

A FM is 3500 strokes.

A 2K is only 250.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 15th, 2011, 7:06 am

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