Ranger's training thread

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by snowleopard » April 8th, 2011, 2:29 am

ranger wrote:In the introduction to erg monitor, it says that the software for the Model D only works on desktops not laptops.

Is that true?

Is so, why?
Works on plenty of laptops. See how you get on with the trial.

Is your battery charged? Or do you need your tech guy to take it out and put it back?

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by macroth » April 8th, 2011, 2:50 am

jolt them out of their self-delusion.
Although you're a completely humorless man, ranger, you really know how to keep the unintentional laughs coming. :lol:


And if you're still wondering how you can set up your camera, you could ask Nav his magic trick.
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40+ PBs: 100m 14.7 | 500m 1:20.5 | 1k 2:59.6 | 2k 6:21.9 | 5k 17:29.6 | HM 1:19:33.1| FM 2:51:58.5 | 100k 7:35:09 | 24h 250,706m

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Citroen » April 8th, 2011, 3:04 am

ranger wrote:In the introduction to erg monitor, it says that the software for the Model D only works on desktops not laptops.

Is that true?

Is so, why?

ranger
It works with the sound card, early laptops were silent beasts modern beasts have hardware that tries to detect whether it's a microphone or some other sound source. It should work with an Apple when you've turned it into a brain dead Windows spam spewing zombie with Bootcamp as long as it has a microphone socket.

There is some hardware needed from Radio Shack to split the flywheel tacho signal into one output to the monitor and the other to the PC sound card. You WILL need help from your tech guy or the folks at Radio Shack to build that as you will be 100% incapable.

Print this: http://www.ps-sport.net/EM_UserGuide.htm and take it in to the shop it has the Radio Shack part #s.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by redzone » April 8th, 2011, 3:25 am

ranger wrote: Sure, I'll get a video of the 50 strokes.

I can't do it this morning, though.

I forgot to charge the battery for my digital camera after playing around with it yesterday.

I'll do the video tomorrow.
Any news on that 50 stroke video?

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 8th, 2011, 3:26 am

Here is that FM stroke I have been practicing.

Listen to the ratio on that baby!

4-to-1?

I can eat lunch and take a bit of a nap between drives!

Effective?

For a 60-year-old lightweight?

Sure.

Over 11 SPI.

Efficient?

Yep.

The ratio and drag, together, do the trick.

Middlin' UT1 HR.

In a 4-to-1 ratio, 26 spm doesn't feel like a high rate at all, especially stroking lightly against such light resistance (95 df.)

Compared to what I am used to feeling rowing at max drag for the last decade, at 95 df., 26 spm feels like 16 spm!

The drive time is almost cut in half; the ratio is doubled.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euKezCiE7KM

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by macroth » April 8th, 2011, 3:41 am

And who needs HR data anyway? It's a given that you can do this for 2.5 hours at 155 bpm, steady state, right?

You clown.
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40+ PBs: 100m 14.7 | 500m 1:20.5 | 1k 2:59.6 | 2k 6:21.9 | 5k 17:29.6 | HM 1:19:33.1| FM 2:51:58.5 | 100k 7:35:09 | 24h 250,706m

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 8th, 2011, 3:42 am

macroth wrote:And who needs HR data anyway? It's a given that you can do this for 2.5 hours at 155 bpm, steady state, right?

You clown.
Yep.

Middlin' UT1 HR (155 bpm), steady state.

At 95 df., I'll rate 30 spm at top-end UT1 (172 bpm).

Relaxed as can be.

And pretty consistent now, as you could see.

This is Matthias' FM stroke--exactly.

I have only been rowing at 95 df. for a couple of weeks.

I am going to get _very_ good at this as time goes by.

I now row all of my meters (20K a day) at 95 df.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 8th, 2011, 3:50 am

macroth wrote:And who needs HR data anyway?
True.

In a FM, the distance imposes the limitation on HR.

A FM can't be done with much over a middlin' UT1 HR, steady state.

That's why a FM trial is such an accurate, reliable indication of your technical, skeletal-muscular, and physiological effectiveness, efficiency, and endurance.

No need to monitor your HR at all.

Just do it.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by redzone » April 8th, 2011, 3:57 am

ranger wrote: Just do it.
Yet...
ranger wrote: Oct 16, 2006: You'll soon see why. FM in 1:48
ranger wrote: March 9th, 2011: Very soon, I will row a FM @ 1:48.
:D

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by redzone » April 8th, 2011, 3:59 am

What happened to the 50 stroke video at 40spm?

It seems like you have to stop after 20 strokes, whatever rate you're doing.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 8th, 2011, 4:00 am

Rocket Roy did his FM pb, 1:56 @ 27 spm, 10 seconds per 500m slower.

Same rate.

The difference is stroking power--skeletal-motor and technical effectiveness and efficiency.

2.5 SPI

Given how I used to row a decade ago (1:54 for a FM), the prediction is that I should now be doing 1:58 for a FM.

Nope.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 8th, 2011, 4:01 am

redzone wrote:What happened to the 50 stroke video at 40spm?

It seems like you have to stop after 20 strokes, whatever rate you're doing.
Sure.

I can do one of those, too.

But it's not very relevant now.

I am training from the top down, doing distance trials at the moment, working from FM to 5K.

Then I will sharpen.

Then I will race, perhaps at exactly that, 40 spm.

I'll do the FM at 26-28 spm.

So that's what I did in the video.

That's where I am in my training at 95 df.

Then, in my distance trials, as I cut the distance, I'll raise the rate, holding my technique constant.

29 spm HM
30 spm 60min
31 spm 10K
32 spm 30 min
33 spm 6K
34 spm 5K

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by redzone » April 8th, 2011, 4:11 am

ranger wrote:I need to warm up and be a lot fresher than I am now in order to row as well as I can at 40 spm (I have already done my 20K for the day), but here are a few successive strokes at 95 df., just done in my street clothes, etc.

I'll do a video with 50 strokes tomorrow morning after I am warmed up and rowing well.
What changed? Have you discovered that you are you unable to complete 50 strokes at 40spm?

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 8th, 2011, 4:13 am

macroth wrote: clown.
Clearly, you're the clown, dude.

I'm doin' great.

You suck.

Go ahead and think otherwise.

But, hey, in your dreams.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 8th, 2011, 4:19 am

redzone wrote:
ranger wrote:I need to warm up and be a lot fresher than I am now in order to row as well as I can at 40 spm (I have already done my 20K for the day), but here are a few successive strokes at 95 df., just done in my street clothes, etc.

I'll do a video with 50 strokes tomorrow morning after I am warmed up and rowing well.
What changed? Have you discovered that you are you unable to complete 50 strokes at 40spm?
Not at all.

No reason to do 500s at 40 spm, though.

That's sharpening.

I am training from the top down, from a FM to 500s.

That's the only way to train, if you want to do your best.

If you don't know that, you're a bozo.

Rocks for brains.

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