Ranger's training thread

bellboy · Post by **bellboy** » April 3rd, 2011, 5:57 am

Hey Fucko, a busy night in the bat cave for you wasnt it? Any chance that you could take a picture of your TOTAL metres done in your session and any of the RELEVANT infomation that your "followers" on this thread have been asking for? We know you wont but it would be remiss of me not ask.

ranger · Post by **ranger** » April 3rd, 2011, 6:04 am

bellboy wrote:a busy night

Not really.

So I am going to put in another session now.

What am I doing?

Just a lot of everyday distance rowing: base pace.

I will now be doing all of my work on the erg.

My bike is shot.

This might be for the best, anyway.

To get fully used to rowing at low drag and prepare for a FM trial, I just need to put in a lot of meters on the erg.

I am building up some good muscle memory with my FM stroke at 95 df.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » April 3rd, 2011, 6:14 am

mikvan52 wrote:Why do I need 11.5 futzing freaky flim-flam?

Because...

if you continue to pull 9 SPI, you'll never go anywhere fast on the erg, over whatever distance.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » April 3rd, 2011, 7:23 am

Put in another 10K.

Absolutely geeeeeeeeeeeorgeous stroke now at UT1 rates, 24-30 spm.

If I ease off and do 24 spm, I am barely breathing; if I push the rate up to 30 spm, I am working hard.

None of the rowing tires me out much at all.

The spread in rates is like a musical instrument.

You can just relax and have fun with it.

I am also back to listening to music, not rowing on the beat, just using the music as background entertainment to make the time pass.

I no longer have to work on getting the rhythm of my stroke right ("Steamrollering," etc.).

This is the kind of rowing I like best!

It is just everyday exercise, which I have been doing all my life in various ways.

Great stuff.

I still have to think about my stroke some to get it exactly right, but now I am doing that while rowing rather than having to stop myself to do it, so I am now killing two birds with one stone.

I am working on technique, but on the fly!

95 df.

Things are coming along beautifully.

In the keyboard of rates, 24-30 spm, 24 spm is my FM rate; 30 spm, my 6K rate.

If I get so I like this lighter stroke, I would guess that I will be able to rate 36 spm in a 2K, if I keep the drag at 95 df.

At 36 spm, 1:34/6:16 comes along at 11.7 SPI.

24 spm FM

26 spm HM
27 spm 60min
28 spm 10K
29 spm 30 min
30 spm 6K
31 spm 5K

36 spm 2K

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » April 3rd, 2011, 7:37 am

O.K., O.K.

You don't have to twist my arm.

I admit it.

I am no longer working on my weaknesses.

I am now parading my strengths.

ranger

atklein90 · Post by **atklein90** » April 3rd, 2011, 8:41 am

ranger wrote:O.K., O.K.

You don't have to twist my arm.

I admit it.

I am no longer working on my weaknesses.

I am now parading my strengths.

ranger

No you're not. You haven't 'paraded' anything.

Loser.

ranger · Post by **ranger** » April 3rd, 2011, 10:18 am

atklein90 wrote:
ranger wrote: I am now parading my strengths.
No you're not. You haven't 'paraded' anything.

True.

But I didn't use the perfect ("have paraded").

I used the progressive ("am parading").

Racing is perfect, something you "have done."

Training is progressive, something you "are doing."

ranger

snowleopard · Post by **snowleopard** » April 3rd, 2011, 11:09 am

ranger wrote:
atklein90 wrote:
ranger wrote: I am now parading my strengths.
No you're not. You haven't 'paraded' anything.
True.

But I didn't use the perfect ("have paraded").

I used the progressive ("am parading").

Racing is perfect, something you "have done."

Training is progressive, something you "are doing."

There is no evidence of you parading anything. Plenty of pretentious bullshit though

bellboy · Post by **bellboy** » April 3rd, 2011, 12:04 pm

ranger wrote:
mikvan52 wrote:Why do I need 11.5 futzing freaky flim-flam?
Because...

if you continue to pull 9 SPI, you'll never go anywhere fast on the erg, over whatever distance.

ranger

I wasnt aware that Mike wanted to go anywhere fast on the erg. Doesnt he use it for its express purpose. As a piece of fitness equipement that can keep him fit during the winter months when he cant get on the water and scull....or have i got this wrong and what he actually does is spend hours every night in the wee small hours drinking thunderbird and "working with" various rates and paces that are in no way sustainable to any 60 year old lwt let alone a 60 year old hwt (which is what you are).

ranger · Post by **ranger** » April 3rd, 2011, 12:39 pm

bellboy wrote:I wasnt aware that Mike wanted to go anywhere fast on the erg

Really?

Not sure about that at all.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » April 3rd, 2011, 12:43 pm

bellboy wrote:Doesnt he use it for its express purpose. As a piece of fitness equipement that can keep him fit during the winter months when he cant get on the water and scull....or have i got this wrong

It is certainly _possible_ to use the erg that way.

But Mike doesn't.

In fact, he does almost exactly the opposite with his training on the erg.

He just trains to race, and even so, rowing as poorly as he can, just so that he can go fast.

Training to race is not at all the best way to stay fit, and rowing poorly, just to go fast, is not good for your technique.

Neither are good preparation for rowing OTW.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » April 3rd, 2011, 12:49 pm

snowleopard wrote:There is no evidence of you parading anything

Evidence?

For training?

Do you mean that nothing is real until it occurs on TV (or video, or the internet, or...)?

Strange.

_Very_ strange.

Thank the Lord for it, really, but if you aren't aware of it, I can assure you, there are still huge tracts of human experience, just a real as can be, that don't appear on utube.

ranger

ranger · Post by **ranger** » April 3rd, 2011, 1:57 pm

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ranger · Post by **ranger** » April 3rd, 2011, 1:59 pm

bellboy wrote:have i got this wrong and what he actually does is spend hours every night in the wee small hours "working with" various rates and paces that are in no way sustainable to any 60 year old lwt

There is no evidence yet that I can't sustain the rates and paces I have been "working with," rowing well at low drag (95 df.).

I haven't done any races yet, fully prepared, rowing well at low drag (95 df.).

My FM trial in a month or so should tell the tale.

Sure, I am doing my rowing in the "wee" hours.

I have work to attend to during the day and my domestic and social lives to attend to in the mornings and evenings.

So, I row when everyone else is asleep.

I only sleep five hours.

ranger

Byron Drachman · Post by **Byron Drachman** » April 3rd, 2011, 2:05 pm

In a bad dream Ranger wrote:Mike, you are right. I won’t make progress OTW until I take some lessons and I am going to take private lessons with one of the coaches at the Ann Arbor rowing club. I will devote my time to practicing on the water instead of yanking on a chain. And I will do a bunch of OTW regattas this summer, and I am sorry that I refused to listen to Byron when he offered to give me some tips on steering. I did notice that he has no problem steering, and in addition to steering his own boat, he managed to yell out a warning when I was about to run into something. I wonder how he does that. Why was I so stubborn and why didn’t I listen to your good advice?

Byron, I just read your recent postings and now realize that I have had it exactly backwards: the strategy to row a good marathon is to pick a reasonable pace and then use the lowest, not highest, spi that I can maintain.

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