Ranger's training thread

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 1st, 2011, 11:21 am

hjs wrote:for someone claiming to row 6.16 all your races are very very bad, even your 6.41


No 58 or 59-year old lightweight other than me has ever rowed 6:41.

So it's _very_ good.

On the other hand, it was just done for fun, to participate.

I did these rows at max drag, still working on technique, without distance rowing, distance trials, or sharpening.

No, I am not rowing 6:16 at the moment.

I am just training to do it.

Nonetheless, my training is geared to this goal, and my training is coming along great.

I now row well (13 SPI) at low drag (95 df.).

It appears that top-end UT1 for me is now 1:43 @ 29 spm (10 MPS, 11 SPI).

That makes top-end UT2, 1:48; top-end AT, 1:39.

Right on my targets.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by JimR » April 1st, 2011, 11:37 am

ranger wrote:
mrfit wrote:The best ergers are not rowers at all
None of the ergers you listed can/could pull 6:28 at just shy of 53.

Then, once they pulled a WR, none of the ergers you listed could figure out how to get better.

I did the first _and_ the second, and am in the process of doing the second again, this time in a much larger way.

As far as I know, Watt, Brook, and Hastings are no longer race on the erg.

Siebach isn't even 53 and now pulls 6:35, ten seconds slower than he was a couple of years ago.

My goal is to pull 6:16 at 60, rowing well at low drag.
OK people ... listen up and pay attention ...

When are you all going to grasp that ranger is the best erger ever because his goals are better than anyone has ever done?! Has a 60 LWT ever done a 6:16 ... NO ... so ranger is better.

By the way ... since ranger's 6:16 goal is better than the 50 and 40 LWTs too he will be the best for at least 20 years!

It is simple ... no pictures, posters, cartoons, force curves, HR data or IND_V is needed to understand this.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » April 1st, 2011, 12:11 pm

jliddil wrote:Image
:lol:

We do remember, though, that ranger never gets close enough to a goal anymore to even take a shot.
He's the kid on the sidelines that the coach hesitates to put in because the child falls down crying "foul" when on the field, left behind the play with no whistle.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 1st, 2011, 12:25 pm

JimR wrote:Has a 60 LWT ever done a 6:16 ... NO ... so ranger is better.
No.

I said that no 53-year old lightweight has pulled 6:28, at all, much less rowing badly at max drag.

I said that no 59-year old lightweight has pulled 6:41, at all, much less at max drag, unprepared, without distance rowing, distance trials, and sharpening.

I said that many of the best veteran lightweight have given up, and therefore no longer row, most likely, because they couldn't figure out how to get better. They just got worse and worse until they quit.

I said that the good veteran lwts that are still rowing have also just gotten worse and worse, and so we might expect that they will quit soon, too.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » April 1st, 2011, 12:33 pm

AND... I SAID: There are only twelve 59 year old active lightweights active in the 2k rankings

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Speaking of age: In the ranger play book.. Is there a difference between retirement and quitting?

Did Harry Parker quit or did he retire today (as head coach of Harvard crew)?

Are you quitting UM poetry, or are you retiring?
We see that you have retired from all timed distances over 2k for many years now. :wink:

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by snowleopard » April 1st, 2011, 12:40 pm

ranger wrote:I said that no 53-year old lightweight has pulled 6:28, at all, much less rowing badly at max drag.

I said that no 59-year old lightweight has pulled 6:41, at all, much less at max drag, unprepared, without distance rowing, distance trials, and sharpening.
Self-aggrandizing bullshit. Neither of these two rows is a WR. And all this max drag/rowing badly stuff is just just unholy smoke.

Reality check: you had the WR in the younger category but it was soundly beaten. You declared the WR in the older category to be soft; despite training for it since 2004, however, you were unable to come close.

You have had years -- two Olympiads -- to do the preparation, master the drag and do the distance rowing and sharpening. You didn't. You flunked it. :arrow:

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by jliddil » April 1st, 2011, 12:41 pm

ranger wrote: Nonetheless, my training is geared to this goal, and my training is coming along great.

I now row well (13 SPI) at low drag (95 df.).

It appears that top-end UT1 for me is now 1:43 @ 29 spm (10 MPS, 11 SPI).

That makes top-end UT2, 1:48; top-end AT, 1:39.

Right on my targets.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 1st, 2011, 1:22 pm

mikvan52 wrote:There are only twelve 59 year old active lightweights active in the 2k rankings
My point is not about active rowers.

Besides me, no 59-year-old lwt in the history of the sport has ever pulled 6:41, including Hastings, Brook, Bailey, van Beuren, etc.

It is a good question whether Seibach, Watt, Caviston, etc., will pull 6:41 when they are 59.

I suspect that the answer will be no.

They _certainly_ won't pull sub-6:30 at 55, as I did.

On the other hand, I suspect that the answer to this will be yes:

Will Cureton pull 6:16 at 60?

:D :D

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 1st, 2011, 1:28 pm

Hey.

If I get a dozen seconds better over 2K between 50 and 60, lowering my 2K time from a lwt 6:28 to a ;wt 6:16...

maybe I can get a dozen seconds better yet over 2K between 60 and 70.

A lwt 6:04 at 70?

Why not?

Go for it!

:D :D

Hey.

When I am retired and don't have to work (like Mike VB, Rocket Roy, and Dennis Hastings), I can do mega biggie ultras for sessions rather than just ultras.

:D :D

That should get the job done.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 1st, 2011, 1:35 pm

BTW, given that I am retiring in two years, I met with a financial advisor last week to talk about how I should manage my money during retirement.

He said that the investment strategy I used to quadruple my money over the last ten years while the market made nothing and many people lost their shirts--including millions of individual investors, and most university endowments, states, and the nation as a whole--wouldn't be a smart one to follow.

The investment strategy I should follow, he said, should be the one that those who have lost their shirts, including the investment company he works for, have followed.

Good advice, don't you think?

:D :D

The world is a pretty puzzling, challenging place, no?

There are idiots everywhere, especially in positions of authority.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by jliddil » April 1st, 2011, 1:41 pm

ranger wrote: The world is a pretty puzzling, challenging place, no?

There are idiots everywhere.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » April 1st, 2011, 2:00 pm

ranger wrote:

It appears that top-end UT1 for me is ....
Where?

I don't see anything. I must have missed the post. Today, must be truly historic! (Ooops! I get it... April 1st)
3 Crash-B hammers
American 60's Lwt. 2k record (6:49) •• set WRs for 60' & FM •• ~ now surpassed
repeat combined Masters Lwt & Hwt 1x National Champion E & F class
62 yrs, 160 lbs, 6' ...

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » April 1st, 2011, 2:06 pm

snowleopard wrote:Self-aggrandizing bullshit.
If you are demonstrably great, as I am, there is no need for self-aggrandizing bullshit.

You just do it.

Then do it again.

Words are irrelevant.

:D :D

Actions speak volumes.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by jliddil » April 1st, 2011, 2:36 pm

ranger wrote:
snowleopard wrote:Self-aggrandizing bullshit.
If you are demonstrably great, as I am, there is no need for self-aggrandizing bullshit.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by PaulH » April 1st, 2011, 2:45 pm

ranger wrote: If you are demonstrably great, as I am, there is no need for self-aggrandizing bullshit.

You just do it.

Then do it again.

Words are irrelevant.

:D :D

Actions speak volumes.

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Indeed. And so while Mike foolishly wins race after race, you predict that you're going to do something, and the fail, over and over again for more than 2,000 days. Hence, by your own measure, you are demonstrably a failure.

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