Ranger's training thread

[snowleopard]

With[sic] has to do with skill, how well you row.

Has Mike ever sunk an 8+?

[ranger]

Mike--

It's time to climb the 10 MPS ladder.

The good apples are higher up in the tree.

You won't find much good fruit scrambling around on the ground down by the trunk.

That's what ladders are for: to get you where you want to go.

1:43 @ 29 spm (11 SPI, 10 MPS)
1:47 @ 28 spm (10.2 SPI, 10 MPS)
1:51 @ 27 spm (9.5 SPI, 10 MPS)
1:55 @ 26 spm (9 SPI, 10 MPS)

ranger

[mikvan52]

up in the tree.

You won't find much good fruit scrambling around on the ground down by the trunk.

Ah, but a cross section of the trunk would show the growth!

Here are some tree rings in the 60's lwt men

60-69 light men Best times each year

2002 Philip Stubley 62 GBR
7:03.3
IND

2003 Philip Stubley 63 GBR
7:01.9
RACE

2004 Philip Stubley 63 GBR
7:01.9
RACE

2005 Roger Prowse 60 GBR
6:48.8
IND

2006 Roger Prowse 60 GBR
6:48.8
RACE

2007 Brian Bailey 61 GBR
6:42.5…………………………………World Record
RACE

2008 Brian Bailey 62 GBR
6:53.8
RACE

2009 Brian Bailey 62 GBR
6:51.8
RACE

2010 Hugh Pite 65 CAN
7:02.7

2011 Tor Arne Simonsen 60 NOR
6:51.0 RACE



Tore rides his bike most of the year... and can still get a rankings best. You just fiddle with drag factor and pointless minutia.
You've got a month... Let's see sub 6:51.0 from you. Do you acknowledge just how modest a time that would be for a potential 6:16er?

[macroth]

Mike--

Please, please, I'm begging you, please respond to my bs about YOUR training, so we can take the focus away from the fact that I'm a lying, despicable old man and my racing career is over.

Or something to that effect.


Edit:

Attaboy, Mike!

[PaulH]

Actually, at 95 df., I think I'll now row 60min, 1:43 @ 29 spm.

Go on then - the day is young for you, so do exactly what you said; 60min, 1:43 @ 29 spm, *now*. Or does now not mean, um, now?

You missed the "I think" (cross that off on your BS bingo card). The thinking is done NOW, the rowing isn't needed.

Oh I see, it's a word order thing - "I think I'll now row..." would more conventionally be rendered "I now think I'll row..."

[ranger]

Mike--

It is a pointless cop out to race, race, race, rowing badly, just to show that, sure, you can indeed row badly, even when you are rowing as hard as you can.

It makes much more sense just to stop rowing badly altogether, even if it means not racing, and learn to row well.

Then, once you have learned to row well, you can race, race, race, showing that you can indeed row well, even when you are rowing as hard as you can.

ranger

[ranger]

Tore rides his bike most of the year... and can still get a rankings best.

I pulled WR pace for my age and weight the last two years (6:41), without even preparing for it.

No one my age and weight had ever rowed that fast.

Tore now misses WR 2K pace for his age and weight by six seconds per 500m.

When I am fully prepared to race, my goal now is to row _faster_ than WR 2K pace for my age and weight by six seconds per 500m.

ranger

[hjs]

Mike--

It is a pointless cop out to race, race, race, rowing badly, just to show that, sure, you can indeed row badly, even when you are rowing as hard as you can.


ranger

That is funny, you are the one who races the most and for someone claiming to row 6.16 all your races are very very bad, even your 6.41
Missing a target with 25 seconds is just a firm paddle. And almost nobody races more than, although you say it is pointless yourself

[mrfit]

Tore rides his bike most of the year... and can still get a rankings best.

I pulled WR pace for my age and weight the last two years (6:41), without even preparing for it.

No one my age and weight had ever rowed that fast.

Tore now misses WR 2K pace for his age and weight by six seconds per 500m.

When I am fully prepared to race, my goal now is to row _faster_ than WR 2K pace for my age and weight by six seconds per 500m.

ranger

Mike is referring to Tor Arne Simonsen. (Not Tore Foss)

Interesting how many cyclists have been top ranking in ranger's age groups throughout the years. The triathletes, Watt and Seibach in the 50-54 group, Brooks and Hastings in the 55 to 59. Now Simonsen in the new group 60-64 .

The best ergers are not rowers at all, they are cyclists.


Get that new bike!

[snowleopard]

No one my age and weight had ever rowed that fast.

This hollow truism applies to every erger and can be discarded. Only one individual meets the exact criteria for age (to the second) and weight (to the gram).

This is why we have age categories and this is why ranger no longer competes with his peers. Or when he does he skulks from the arena and his graceless behavior in public reflects what we see here.

[jliddil]

[macroth]

Although in this case, if you stand at the 2K/6:30 mark you'll be safely out of reach.

[ranger]

The best ergers are not rowers at all

None of the ergers you listed can/could pull 6:28 at just shy of 53.

Then, once they pulled a WR, none of the ergers you listed could figure out how to get better.

I did the first _and_ the second, and am in the process of doing the second again, this time in a much larger way.

As far as I know, Watt, Brook, and Hastings are no longer race on the erg.

Siebach isn't even 53 and now pulls 6:35, ten seconds slower than he was a couple of years ago.

My goal is to pull 6:16 at 60, rowing well at low drag.

Simonsen just pulled 6:51 at 60, 35 seconds slower.

So, you're right.

If you want to be the best in this sport, you don't want to be a triathlete or cyclist.

You want to learn to row OTW, as I have.

You want to be a rower.

You want to learn row well.

Rowing is significantly technical and sport-specific, even indoor rowing.

ranger

[hjs]

Mike--

It is a pointless cop out to race, race, race, rowing badly, just to show that, sure, you can indeed row badly, even when you are rowing as hard as you can.


ranger

That is funny, you are the one who races the most and for someone claiming to row 6.16 all your races are very very bad, even your 6.41
Missing a target with 25 seconds is just a firm paddle. And almost nobody races more than, although you say it is pointless yourself

[jliddil]

My goal is to pull 6:16 at 60, rowing well at low drag.

You want to learn to row OTW, as I have.

ranger