Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

On the 2k you dropped from 350 to 297 watts. How is that better?

I haven't even raced yet, rowing well (12 SPI) at low drag (100 df.), fully prepared.

My first race, rowing well (12 SPI) at low drag (100 df.), fully prepared, will be a FM @ 1:48.

That FM will predict all of my other targets, including 2K.

I will then go on to race the other events, from the top down (HM, 60min, 10K, 30min, 6K, 5K), hitting those targets.

Then I will sharpen.

Then I will race 2K.

For me, this is just standard race preparation.

If I indeed pull a FM @ 1:48, my training over the last few years will beat predictions by 10 seconds per 500m.

Given my FM pb of 1:54 ten years ago, the prediction is that I will now pull 1:58 for a FM.

Veterans usually decline with age at the rate of about four seconds per 500m per decade.

ranger

[mikvan52]

On the 2k you dropped from 350 to 297 watts. How is that better?

I haven't even raced yet, rowing well (12 SPI) at low drag (100 df.), fully prepared.

My first race, rowing well (12 SPI) at low drag (100 df.), fully prepared, will be a FM @ 1:48.

That FM will predicts all of my other targets, including 2K.

I will then go on to race the other events, from the top down (HM, 60min, 10K, 30min, 6K, 5K), hitting those targets.

Then I will sharpen.

Then I will race 2K.

ranger

Nice try, weasel!
Remember though, you were speaking in the past tense... According to your statement, you had already shown that you are better because of flirtatious love affair with Mme SPI... not that you will
show that you will
be
better...

[mikvan52]

Given my FM pb of 1:54 ten years ago, the prediction is that I will now pull 1:58 for a FM.

Your logic remains baffling!

[ranger]

You get better in training, not in races.

Sure, the races confirm/verify your improvement, but the improvement can't be confirmed/versified unless it is first achieved.

The improvement is achieved in training.

ranger

[ranger]

Given my FM pb of 1:54 ten years ago, the prediction is that I will now pull 1:58 for a FM.

Your logic remains baffling!

This is as clear as a bell.

Decline with age among veterans is four seconds per 500m per decade.

My FM pb from a decade ago is 1:54.

So the prediction is that, now, ten years later, I will pull 1:54 + 4, or 1:58, for a FM.

My target is 1:48.

If I hit my target, my training over the last decade will have beaten expectations by 10 seconds per 500m.

A second per 500m per year!

ranger

[mikvan52]

I haven't even raced yet, rowing well (12 SPI) at low drag (100 df.), fully prepared.

This statement illustrates the heart of the problem w/ "Ranger's training" as a method for success.

You
haven't
raced
yet
after
more
than
seven
years
of your
type of
training

<end of story>
If the goal is to be faster at any distance,
ranger training fails to prepare anyone for racing even after 7 years of work.
Doesn't that sum it up?

[mikvan52]

You get better in training, not in races.

Sure, the races confirm/verify your improvement, but the improvement can't be confirmed/versified unless it is first achieved.

The improvement is achieved in training.

ranger

And is measured in IND_V performances, training or racing.... the semantics are not that confusing!

[ranger]

The 60s lwt FM WR is 2:00/2:48.

So 1:58 would be _very_ good for someone my size.

1:58 is ten seconds per 500m shy of 1:48, though.

The 60s _hwt_ FM WR is 1:54/2:40.

ranger

[ranger]

ranger training fails to prepare anyone for racing even after 7 years of work.

Sure, over the last few years, I have just continued to train rather than preparing to race.

Why?

So that I would continue to improve.

Nonetheless, I have the best 2K in my age and weight division for the last two years.

Give or take a bit, for the last two years, I have pulled WR pace for 2K (6:41).

No 58/59-year-old lwt has ever pulled 6:41 for 2K.

ranger

[mikvan52]

Given my FM pb of 1:54 ten years ago, the prediction is that I will now pull 1:58 for a FM.

Your logic remains baffling!

This is as clear as a bell.

To no one but you who seems to have difficulty in expressing ideas.

A 1:54 FM 10 years ago does not "predict" 1:58 FM this year.
You need data to show this.
Where is it?

[ranger]

A 1:54 FM 10 years ago does not "predict" 1:58 FM this year.
You need data to show this.
Where is it?

Close enough.

If you want to use the spread in the FM WRs, the prediction would be 2:01.

The 50s lwt FM WR is 1:52; the 60s lwt FM WR is 2:00.

The 50s hwt FM WR is 1:48; the 60s hwt FM WR is 1:54.

In the FM, the average decline with age over the decade is seven seconds per 500m.

ranger

[mikvan52]

ranger training fails to prepare anyone for racing even after 7 years of work.

Sure, over the last few years, I have just continued to train rather than preparing to race.

Why?

So that I would continue to improve.

Nonetheless, I have the best 2K in my age and weight division for the last two years.

Give or take a bit, for the last two years, I have pulled WR pace for 2K (6:41).

No 58/59-year-old lwt has ever pulled 6:41 for 2K.

ranger

You are a great 2k athlete Rich
but.... 6:41 pace is not WR pace... Roy has the WR... substantially faster than that.
There are 3 people who have rowed faster than you in the 55-59 lwt 2k.

You should be proud of being king in the miniscule population of "58/59". Do you feel that, in order for you to regain prominence (of a v. modest variety) there should be single age and weight WRs?

[ranger]

Roy has the WR

I beat Roy's times soundly over the last two years.

None of us are 55 anymore.

Roy will now have a hard time pulling 6:50, as you will, too.

By the time Roy is 60, as hard as he tries, he will miss the present 60s lwt WR by 10 seconds.

If I pull a lwt 6:16 at 60, as I think I will, he will miss the new 60s lwt WR by 36 seconds, 9 seconds per 500m.

If I pull a lwt 6:16 at 60, I won't care that someone five years younger pulled a lwt 2K 22 seconds slower.

ranger

[ranger]

I now row like this guy, even though he is only 38 years old.



ranger

[mikvan52]

A 1:54 FM 10 years ago does not "predict" 1:58 FM this year.
You need data to show this.
Where is it?

Close enough.

"Close enough"
Where's the data on specific people who keep rowing the FM over a decade?

What are your personal FM times each year over a decade?
You've been doing FM work for a long time now. What can you show us to support your claim?

..so... WR tabulation does not show changes in a single athlete's time change in the FM over 10 years..
Is that too hard for you to see?

Furthermore:
You and I both know that there are so few people who bother with the FM.... Your statements are not based on any statistical analysis!
I remain convinced, as a life-long athlete who has competed at all endurance and sprint distances, that peaking for a FM does not help me for peaking at a sprint distance...
The whole exercise physiology world would agree! IMO!!