Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

ut I thought you were claiming to be the best EVER ... faster than anyone could have ever been ... crushing records like they were the brittle backs of lesser men.

Now you want to claim that a 6:41 (because it was a bit better than others) is the same as your claims of being in 6:16 form?

Sure.

6:41, rowing at max drag, without even preparing for it, is the full equivalent of 6:16, rowing well at low drag, fully prepared.

That is not just a "claim."

I will demonstrate it.

Everyone gets about a dozen seconds over 2K from good race preparation.

I am not sure what rowing well at low drag is worth, but I assume something comparable.

ranger

[JimR]

ut I thought you were claiming to be the best EVER ... faster than anyone could have ever been ... crushing records like they were the brittle backs of lesser men.

Now you want to claim that a 6:41 (because it was a bit better than others) is the same as your claims of being in 6:16 form?

Sure.

6:41, rowing at max drag, without even preparing for it, is the full equivalent of 6:16, rowing well at low drag, fully prepared.

That is not just a "claim."

I will demonstrate it.

Everyone gets about a dozen seconds over 2K from good race preparation.

I am not sure what rowing well at low drag is worth, but I assume something comparable.

ranger

Since you not been able to prove this "claim" in the past 5 years I find it unlikely you will do it now. In any case ... if you get 12 seconds from sharpening relative to your 6:41 you will be at 6:29 ... a very long way from 6:16.

Maybe you think you will erg "better" and get 13 seconds more ... I guess everyone can dream. So far it has made you nothing but slower ... see BIRC and 7:02.

JimR

[snowleopard]

6:41, rowing at max drag, without even preparing for it, is the full equivalent of 6:16, rowing well at low drag, fully prepared.

Total bollocks.

A 6:41 is the full equivalent of a 6:41. It has no resemblance to a 2K some 25 seconds faster. You have no idea of what is required to go from 6:41 to 6:16.

[ranger]

Wow.

The market is up 100% over the last couple of years, but I just heard that the average individual investor is only 20% invested in the market and even things like pension plans are only 50% invested in the market.

You know.

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Buy high.

Go figure.

Human behavior is driven by fear, anxiety, envy, greed, insecurity, violence, sloth, embarrassment, shame, etc.

It has nothing to do with intelligence, wisdom, creativity, confidence, common sense, perspicuity, etc.

Sad affair.

Over the last five years, I've doubled my money.

And there is still only upside from here on, for several years.

The average bull market, after a deep recession, lasts five years.

So we all have another three years of profits to look forward to.

Money making money, hand over fist.

ranger

[ranger]

6:41, rowing at max drag, without even preparing for it, is the full equivalent of 6:16, rowing well at low drag, fully prepared.

Total bollocks.

A 6:41 is the full equivalent of a 6:41. It has no resemblance to a 2K some 25 seconds faster. You have no idea of what is required to go from 6:41 to 6:16.

Entirely wrong.

Take Eskild, who now rows 6:16.

Have him row nothing but UT2 and UT1 work for 10 years.

Punch the drag up to max.

Then have him do a 2K trial.

Result:

He would only pull 6:40.

ranger

[rjw]

Take Eskild, who now rows 6:16.

Have him row nothing but UT2 and UT1 work for 10 years.

Punch the drag up to max.

Then have him do a 2K trial.

Result:

He would only pull 6:40.

ranger

But this has zero relevance to you, a 60 year-old 7:02 HWT erger.

So what is your point?

[snowleopard]

6:41, rowing at max drag, without even preparing for it, is the full equivalent of 6:16, rowing well at low drag, fully prepared.

Total bollocks.

A 6:41 is the full equivalent of a 6:41. It has no resemblance to a 2K some 25 seconds faster. You have no idea of what is required to go from 6:41 to 6:16.

Entirely wrong.

Take Eskild, who now rows 6:16.

Have him row nothing but UT2 and UT1 work for 10 years.

Punch the drag up to max.

Then have him do a 2K trial.

Result:

He would only pull 6:40.

Well he would be slower because he's 10 years older. That's a given. We have no idea what effect the drag would have. He might manage it very well over 2K. He certainly wouldn't prattle on about learning his eleventyfifth new stroke.

The point is you are completely ignorant about the demands of a 6:16. He isn't. Go ahead, be my guest: row 4 x 500m @ 1:34, 5 mins rest. Post the result with HR data,

And besides, your UT1/UT2 for 10 years is total crap anyway. How many times have you sharpened in the last 10 years? Or were you just lying every time you said you were sharpening? Come to think of it, aren't you continually embarrassed by the number of lies you tell?

And, further, besides, as things stand you're a fat, drunk, 60+, hwt erger with a 7:00 erg to his name and an unhealthy obsession with young, blonde, scandi, male rowers. That makes you a posturing prick. So, do yourself a favor and knock out a sub 7:00 erg just to keep us right eh?

[ranger]

So what is your point?

At 60, give or take a bit, I pull 6:40, at max drag, unprepared, rowing badly.

I can race successfully as a lightweight.

Only one 60s erger of any weight has ever pulled sub-6:30.

No 60s lightweight has ever pulled sub-6:40.

I now row well (13 SPI) at low drag (108 df.).

I know perfectly well how to prepare to race and have done it many times.

I am now preparing to race.

Everyone gets about a dozen seconds over 2K from full race preparation.

I don't know what rowing well at low drag is worth but I suspect something comparable.

ranger

[lancs]

The jury is still out on this, but at least in the distance rows, the improvements I have made in technique seem be worth as much as seven seconds per 500.

The jury is not 'still out'. That would imply there is some evidence that your distance rows have improved. There is no evidence.

None whatsoever.

There's no case for the jury to consider.

You're slower than you used to be. Get over it.

You weren't able to beat Roy's WR. Get over it.

[ranger]

We have no idea what effect the drag would have.

Yes, we do. Max drag isn't as effective or as efficient as low drag, especially for lightweights. If it were, people like Eskild E. and Stephansen would row at max drag. But they don't.

We also know the effect of doing AT, TR, and AN rowing to prepare for a 2K.

Everything there is to know.

The better part of all training plans for rowing involves this sort of training.

You don't prepare for a mile run by jogging around the countryside.

You do quarters on the track.

No one rows within a dozen seconds of their best 2K time without doing anaerobic work to prepare for it.

ranger

[ranger]

There's no case for the jury to consider.

O.K.

Happy to leave it there, until there is evidence to consider.

But I am curious.

Before you race, you have to train.

And this is a training forum.

Are you saying that the best way to train is to race, race, race, race, just to "prove" that you are doing good training?

If so, you are a fool and know nothing about good training.

ranger

[ranger]

Lancs--

Given that I have three WR rows but you haven't rowed within 20 seconds of a 2K WR, I would say that there is evidence that I know what I am talking about, because I have done it, and you don't know your ass from your elbow, because you can't row worth shit.

The jury isn't "out" on this one.

The jury has already voted; the verdict has already been read.

If you want to train yourself to pull 6:02, four seconds under the 30s lwt WR, as I trained myself to pull 6:28 at just shy of 53, four seconds under the 50s lwt WR at the time, then, sure, I would be willing to listen to you.

But you don't have the skill, dedication, or balls, so the whole affair is moot.

ranger

[Steve G]

So what is your point?

At 60, give or take a bit, I pull 6:40, at max drag, unprepared, rowing badly.

SNIP

ranger

Rich
I seem to have missed this excellent row, when was it please? I can't see it in the rankings?
Thanks

Steve

[ranger]

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I seem to have missed this excellent row, when was it please? I can't see it in the rankings?

The last two years, I pulled a lwt 6:41.

At max drag, unprepared, still working on technique.

Sure, these 2Ks are there in the rankings. Take a look. You're not blind.

RANKING RESULTS 2009

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Custom Age Range (55–60) | 2009 Season

You are number 1 of 123

1 Rich Cureton 58 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:41.0 RACE
2 Rocketroy Brook 57 GBR 6:43.8 RACE
3 John Busk 55 Slangerup GBR 6:47.5 RACE
4 Mike Van Beuren 56 Annapolis MD USA 6:50.0 RACE
5 Brian Leonard Phipps 59 Rongotea Manawatu NZL 6:56.9 RACE
5 Rolf Meek 58 Oslo NOR 6:56.9 IND
7 Tor Arne Simonsen 58 Oslo NOR 6:57.3 RACE
8 Robert Lakin 60 USA 7:00.6 RACE
9 Thomas Knight 56 newcastle on tyne GBR 7:04.5 RACE

RANKING RESULTS 2010

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Custom Age Range (55–60) | 2010 Season

You are number 1 of 126

1 Rich Cureton 59 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:41.4 RACE
2 Michael van Beuren 57 Hartland VT USA 6:47.6 IND_V
3 Jonathan Rich 56 Winter Park FL USA 6:52.3 RACE
4 Eric Winterbottom 58 Bodytalk GBR 7:01.9 RACE
5 Gary Passler 55 amesbury ma USA 7:05.0 RACE
6 David Sutkowy 56 manlius NY USA 7:05.4 RACE
6 Rolf Meek 59 Oslo NOR 7:05.4 IND
8 John Busk 56 Slangerup DEN 7:07.6 IND
9 Ernest Cook 55 Brookline MA USA 7:08.3 RACE
10 Daniel Devez 56 Port-Marly Rc FRA 7:08.5 RACE

This indoor rowing year isn't over. So there is nothing final/definitive yet to report.

ranger

[Nosmo]

You have no idea of what is required to go from 6:41 to 6:16.

But he knows how to get a lot of attention.