Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

If I now do a FM @ 1:48, these historical issues are blown away.

The prediction will be a 6:16 2K at 60.

The 60s lwt FM WR is 2:00 pace, 12 seconds per 500m slower.

ranger

[mikvan52]

If I now do a FM @ 1:48, these historical issues are blown away.

The prediction will be a 6:16 2K at 60.

The 60s lwt FM WR is 2:00 pace, 12 seconds per 500m slower.

ranger

I'm sorry Rich.
There must be an echo...
I seem to think we've heard this before.

..and everyone has seen me point this out too.


Your going into ranger[Bot] mode with all this repetition. Is it as boring for you as it is for everyone? We spoke about this at length over a month ago... Remember... as a warm up you were going to do the proververbial 10x2k @ 1:48 pace and stay at UT... but you failed.

A more central point:
Did you know that even fewer people care about how fast a 60 year old yanks a 42k piece than they do about a 60 year old yanks a 2k piece.
We're fly speck, you and I, Cureton, ol' buddy. Wake up. Do something before you're totally marginalized...by age.

How about an ongoing challenge....?
No racing... mind you...

Just a weekly workout with you posting first.. That would be a change.
I choose one, then you choose one.... Nothing over (say) 85% effort...

How about it... Show your training chops....(?)

It would help advance your cause in the "I now row well" dept...

Just an idea...
Only one a week... smarter than the CTC bull, where bozos beat themselves up with grueling 100% efforts once a month...

[lancs]

Lancs--

You seem to want me to train like you.

Not at all.

I want you to provide data (some data, any data) to support the claims that you are better than you were 8 years ago.

So far we have none.

None whatsoever.

You seem to find this an unreasonable request for a reason I can't quite understand. I mean, if you're making claims that you've made improvements so far outside the normal is it not reasonable to have some data to back up those claims?

So far, you have no evidence whatsoever. None. No data. The only evidence available suggests your 2k time is declining along with expected trends. Because you lie so much then it is also reasonable for the forum to ask for more solid evidence than your word, which of course completely worthless because you lie so much.

Try and answer this post without using the word 'if'....

[leadville]

Boom! Three in one post.

Bugger! Come on Rich dont let me down. Throw daddy a "smooth as butta". Pleaseeeeeeeeee?

Redzone and Bellboy -

kudos for best successful attempt to bring humor to what is often a humorless medium.

Me? I'll go all in on "if"

[MRapp]

My previous question was buried immediately by ranger and his thrilling 5000th post about how good he is now versus 8 years ago. I'll post it again:

When you say you are very near a FM trial, any chance you could put some timelines on that? You've been saying "very soon" for over 5 years to the same FM trial. Is it "very soon" as in 5 years from now, or "very soon" as in you have a date in mind that you'll be sitting on the erg and setting the monitor to 42k? The freakin Egyptian pyramid teams had tighter guidelines than you. By the time you're 75 and get everything just right your 1:48 FM will be REALLY impressive.

[atklein90]

Boom! Three in one post.

Bugger! Come on Rich dont let me down. Throw daddy a "smooth as butta". Pleaseeeeeeeeee?

Redzone and Bellboy -

kudos for best successful attempt to bring humor to what is often a humorless medium.

Me? I'll go all in on "if"

I'm goin with "Smooth as butta"!

[atklein90]

How sad is this....

I'm in Chicago for the American College of Healthcare Executives (ACHE) Annual Congress this week. During one of the sessions I attended today, several quotes popped up on the screen that seem applicable to this thread (and actually made me think of this thread....maybe I need to take a break from reading it for a while!)

A vision without a plan is a hallucination - seems very applicable to this thread, considering Ranger has ABSOLUTELY no plan in terms of WHEN he will actually complete his 'vision'. PLANS include TIMELINES.

Plans are only good intentions unless they immediately degenerate into hard work - Peter Drucker - in this case, it reminded me of Rangers 'Plan', but the fact that he has no evidence that he's actually working 'hard'. I'm guessing he really doesn't do anything he's claiming to do. Unless he can simply show ONE session of 20K, I'll never believe that he rows anywhere near that on a daily basis.

There were other quotes too, but I'm really tired of this thread. Ranger, will you please post SOME EVIDENCE of training? I just want to see what you ACTUALLY do every day, not what you claim to do. I'm not asking for racing. Just whatever the hell it is you do when you train!

[bellboy]

How sad is this....

I'm in Chicago for the American College of Healthcare Executives (ACHE) Annual Congress this week. During one of the sessions I attended today, several quotes popped up on the screen that seem applicable to this thread (and actually made me think of this thread....maybe I need to take a break from reading it for a while!)

A vision without a plan is a hallucination - seems very applicable to this thread, considering Ranger has ABSOLUTELY no plan in terms of WHEN he will actually complete his 'vision'. PLANS include TIMELINES.

Plans are only good intentions unless they immediately degenerate into hard work - Peter Drucker - in this case, it reminded me of Rangers 'Plan', but the fact that he has no evidence that he's actually working 'hard'. I'm guessing he really doesn't do anything he's claiming to do. Unless he can simply show ONE session of 20K, I'll never believe that he rows anywhere near that on a daily basis.

There were other quotes too, but I'm really tired of this thread. Ranger, will you please post SOME EVIDENCE of training? I just want to see what you ACTUALLY do every day, not what you claim to do. I'm not asking for racing. Just whatever the hell it is you do when you train!

Deep breaths mate. You are obviously suffering from Ann Arbour Ad Nauseum Syndrome. It has afflicted many of us through the years but we battled on and won out in the end. You can do it brother. I'l even be your sponsor if you like.

P.S. If you start quoting Robert Frost out of context give your missus my email address. It means its time for an intervention.

[ranger]

In your case: You can't compete with the best on the water. because? ....You haven't raced OTW.. I started at 17
In my case: I couldn't beat your 2k erg time as a 52 year old "fake-weight" because?.... I didn't "go for it until age 55.

Sorry, Mike, but a lwt 6:28 at just shy of 53 is pretty different from a lwt 6:45 at 55.

And you have no idea how good I can be OTW.

See you there.

Good luck!

OTErg, my goal now is 6:16 at 60.

I suspect you'll have a hard time pulling 6:50.

ranger

[ranger]

When you say you are very near a FM trial, any chance you could put some timelines on that?

I'd say within a month or so.

The FM implicates all my other goals, including a 6:16 2K.

So if I pull a FM @ 1:48 that's the end of it.

I have been right all along.

My FM pb from 10 years ago is 1:54/2:40.

So, given decline with age, a FM at 1:48, now, ten years later, would beat expectations by 10 seconds per 500m.

The expectation is that I will now pull a FM at 1:58.

The normal decline with age for veterans is about four seconds per 500m per decade.

And _no one_ gets better, much less better by six seconds per 500m.

The 60s lwt FM WR is 2:00 pace/2:48.

The 60s hwt FM WR is 1:54 pace/2:40.

A FM @ 1:48 would be better than both--by a ridiculous amount.

ranger

[ranger]

A vision without a plan is a hallucination

Sure, it took a long time to accomplish, but my training is over.

I am now just preparing to race.

The goal of my training was to row well (13 SPI) at low drag (108 df.), as I now do.

Fait accompli.

We'll see when I do my FM trial, but it seems that rowing well at low drag is worth aa much 10 seconds per 500m.

ranger

[ranger]

1:48/2:32 is Rob Slocum's 50s hwt FM WR, which hasn't been touched, or even approached, for a decade.

ranger

[ranger]

A vision without a plan is a hallucination

Sure, it took a long time to accomplish, but my training is over.

I am now just preparing to race.

The goal of my training was to row well (13 SPI) at low drag (108 df.), as I now do.

Fait accompli.

We'll see when I do my FM trial, but it seems that rowing well at low drag is worth aa much 10 seconds per 500m.

ranger

No veteran has ever rowed well.

So how I trained myself to row well had to be experimental, unplanned.

No, experimentation is not a hallucination.

Scientific methods have been around for hundreds of years.

ranger

[mikvan52]

"To be 60 and failing has got to be hard, though. Don't we all have a glimpse of this?"
~ yer friend, Woton, the erg-crusher

[mikvan52]

Rich:
The thing is...And I tried to emphasize this in my responses to your earlier posts, that someone who does not suffer from your condition COULD NEVER UNDERSTAND or relate to the reality of this condition. I was very skeptical myself, but I think that lying repeatedly both IS A DISEASE and may even be hereditary.

In the end we might agree that this web of lies, this little world, cobbled together as it might be by our meager strokes of propped-up identity, in all its majestic falsehood, is only imaginary. We recall with fondness what you used to claim but have now abandoned: The erg is a truth machine .... but that is no solace. The end is here.

ranger competitive erging... may it rest in peace ... 2003-2010

"Life is a Cabaret my friend...
Come to the Cabaret"