Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

Mike--

I did three hours of training this morning.

I am pushing that up to six hours a day over the next month.

Marathon Training.

ranger

[ranger]

Mike--

BTW, in my FM training, when I get to 3 x 60min OTErg followed by 3 x 60min OTBike, sure, I'll have something to report that looks your training.

But by then, my training will have long been over, as will most of my race preparation.

I will be just about ready to race.

So, nothing in a workout of this sort will be relevant to a thread of this sort ("Training").

What is relevant to this thread are the thousands of other posts over the last eight years that have described my training.

When I do a FM @ 1:48, it will a result of eight years of training, not what I did a few days before the trial.

ranger

[mikvan52]

Mike--

I did three hours of training this morning.

I am pushing that up to six hours a day over the next month.

ranger

Less power to you, Rich!


Even if you did this it would be wrong.
I train on tenth the amt you say you do and beat you at long distance as a lwt.

All this cheap-shot talk between you and me is just pathetic anyway... There are so few competitors anyway..We're just statistical quirks, 'odd balls' !

Look at this table of old-men competitors from the distance rankings last year.... (Quack!)
SO few people even try... once they reach the advanced age groups!
Pay attn to how the participant totals drop off...



We are just a bunch of quaint old men bickering about things of marginal statistical consequence.

If truth be told, the only reason, besides longevity and hard-headedness, that we do so well is because we've been working-out our whole lives. Others didn't choose to follow such a path. That doesn't make them 'worse'.. IOW: It's not the training we did today (these past couple years) it's what you and I did over the last 40-50 years that puts us in the position we're in.... to end up near the very top of the rankings...

In your case: You can't compete with the best on the water. because? ....You haven't raced OTW.. I started at 17
In my case: I couldn't beat your 2k erg time as a 52 year old "fake-weight" because?.... I didn't "go for it until age 55.

[mikvan52]

Mike--



But by then, my training will have long been over, as will most of my race preparation.

I will be just about ready to race.

... it will a result of eight years of training, not what I did a few days before the trial.

ranger

Could you qualify this a little more for us.

"By then"= Date:_____________________

"ready to race" requires a Date:_____________

Please throw out the "just about".......

Ever compete as a team member?
Did you say: "Sorry guys, the meet's today but I can't run. Check back with me in 8 yrs I might be ready..."


How many years did your man-crush, E.E. take off to get ready for his achievement using his DLS?....
Oh, I forgot, you're just a humble and lowly prof. who happens to erg 10 million meters a year... who is still learnin' to row.
Aw, shucks; gosh'n'golly !

[ranger]

Even if you did this it would be wrong

Hard to say it's wrong.

Fait accompli.

It was right the first time and yielded three WR 2Ks, rowing badly at max drag.

It will be right this time, too, and will yield something more more impressive, rowing well at low drag.

You don't know what I am talking about because you haven't experienced it.

You're missing out, Mike!

Too bad, really, given your level of commitment, etc.

Even if you tried, you couldn't come within 10 seconds per 500m of the FM I will pull in a month or so.

The FM is just UT2 rowing, really.

UT2 rowing is a great 2K predictor.

UT2 is 2K + 15.

You row 1:58 at UT2.

In a month or so, I'll pull a FM at 1:48.

You can't improve your 2K without improving your UT2 pace.

So, if you neglect your UT2 rowing, you just work on things of no consequence.

If your fitness is declining, too, as it is, given age, and you neglect your UT2 rowing, you will just get worse and worse.

I suspect you'll have a hard time pulling 7:00 for 2K when you are 60.

ranger

[ranger]

Ever compete as a team member?

In erging?

How so?

As you know, really, I have never competed at all OTW.

I have never done anything in a large boat, other than LTR.

I certainly haven't raced in a large boat.

As I remember, my LTR eight once tried to lift the rate to 24 spm but when we did we almost fell out of the boat.

"Teamwork" has nothing to do with my training, either OTErg or OTW.

I guess I'm not sure what you are driving at.

Are you saying that you feel like you're on my team, in my boat, and so have to follow my stroke?

Or that I am on your team, in your boat, and so have to follow your stroke?

Sorry, but I don't see any reason to think that way.

I am just trying to be as fast as I can be OTErg.

What you do to try to be as fast as you can be OTErg is up to you.

We aren't "teammates" of any sort.

ranger

[ranger]

Mike--

I have shared all sorts of information with you about my training, and given you all kinds of advice.

But you have just avoided the information and ridiculed the advice.

The latest advice I have offered and you have ridiculed is what I am doing now, preparing to race from the top down, from a FM to the 2K.

Your choice.

I'm afraid we all have to live with the consequences of our choices.

Claiming that you don't have a choice, or the possibility of making a good choice, because of something I have done, or am doing, is absurd.

ranger

[ranger]

If truth be told, the only reason, besides longevity and hard-headedness, that we do so well is because we've been working-out our whole lives. Others didn't choose to follow such a path. That doesn't make them 'worse'.. IOW: It's not the training we did today (these past couple years) it's what you and I did over the last 40-50 years that puts us in the position we're in.... to end up near the very top of the rankings...

Sure.

But in my case, I am still trying to take full advantage of this life-long physical discipline with my erging and OTW rowing, because I didn't start rowing until I was 50.

I _certainly_ didn't do that in 2003, rowing pooly at max drag.

In 2003, I didn't know how to row.

I am much better now.

ranger

[ranger]

Mike--

Can you do 50 jackknives and 25 extension press ups?

How about 30 pull ups?

How is your skeletal-muscular fitness, relative to your weight?

And if your lifelong commitment to the physical life has preserved your physiological fitness, why has your maxHR fallen from 230 bpm to 163 bpm?

Why does an elite young lightweight have a UT2 pace of 1:45 but you have a UT2 pace of 1:58?

ranger

[ranger]

Less power to you, Rich!

Not if I do the 3 x 60min @ 1:48, as I will.

And then put the intervals together into a FM @ 1:48.

ranger

[whp4]

I _do_ race my races, though, as you will see.

Uh, when? Or are your most recent BIRC and WIRC appearances examples of how you race now?

[whp4]

I _do_ race my races, though, as you will see.

Uh, when? Or are your most recent BIRC and WIRC appearances examples of how you race now?

If this post doesn't trigger at least one winner at ranger lingo bingo, I don't know what will

[mikvan52]

Even if you did this it would be wrong

It was right the first time and yielded three WR 2Ks, rowing badly at max drag.

and let's all chime in on the refrain
.... tump-da-dum!
I'm much better than that now

You did not have any record for the marathon though, which is what you're working on now...

BS- training! You're hiding from legit. 2k training while training as a hwt...

[ranger]

You did not have any record for the marathon though, which is what you're working on now...

Among 50S lightweights, back in 2003, my FM time was indeed the best.

All seven 2Ks that I did in 2003, I did as a lightweight: 6:28, 6:29, 6:30, 6:32, 6:32, 6:33, 6:36

RANKING RESULTS 2003

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 42,195m (Marathon) | Men's | Lightweight | Ages 50-59 | 2003 Season

1 Rick Bayko 55 Newburyport MA USA 2:48:22.5 IND
2 George Meredith 54 Gravesend Kent GBR 2:48:35.4 IND
3 Stein Mørk 58 1358 Jar Akershus NOR 2:52:47.1 IND
4 Dave Stewart 53 Wimborne Dorset GBR 2:52:56.4 IND
5 Robert Lakin 54 Wichita KS USA 2:57:22.6 IND
6 John Rupp 56 Santa Maria California USA 2:58:46.2 IND
7 Anthony Clarke 52 Barrington RI USA 3:01:38.7 IND
8 Keith Kreycik 52 Richmond VA USA 3:03:10.3 IND
9 Ian Spalding 54 Stratford-upon-Avon GBR 3:03:58.6 IND
10 Stephen Packard 55 Gainesville FL USA 3:05:34.6 IND

Sure, I did the FM as a heavyweight because it was just training.

But my 2:40:15 FM was indeed the best--by a long shot.

In 2005, Graham Watt did 30 seconds or so better for the FM, so he beat my 2K WR, too.

RANKING RESULTS 2005

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 42,195m (Marathon) | Men's | Lightweight | Ages 50-59 | 2005 Season

1 Graham Watt 50 Whakatane NZL 2:39:42.5 IND
2 Rick Bayko 57 Newburyport MA USA 2:47:26.5 IND
3 George Meredith 56 Gravesend Kent GBR 2:48:47.2 IND
4 Richard White 57 Poitiers AWL France FRA 2:49:34.0 IND
5 Lasse Bjerga 50 Cedar City UT USA 2:54:54.0 IND
6 Koos Müller 56 RHOON NLD 2:57:55.0 IND
7 Lyndsay Knight 56 Stanmore Bay Whangaparaoa NZL 2:58:17.1 IND
8 Greg Martino 50 Greenfield MA USA 2:58:54.0 IND
9 Jim Rech 55 White Plains NY USA 3:03:50.6 IND
10 Geoff Lane 50 LAMPETER Ceredigion GBR 3:07:22.2 RowPro

The guy who is best in the FM is also best in the 2K.

ranger

[mikvan52]

You did not have any record for the marathon though, which is what you're working on now...

Among lightweights, back in 2003, my FM time was indeed the best.

RANKING RESULTS 2003

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 42,195m (Marathon) | Men's | Lightweight | Ages 50-59 | 2003 Season

1 Rick Bayko 55 Newburyport MA USA 2:48:22.5 IND
2 George Meredith 54 Gravesend Kent GBR 2:48:35.4 IND
3 Stein Mørk 58 1358 Jar Akershus NOR 2:52:47.1 IND
4 Dave Stewart 53 Wimborne Dorset GBR 2:52:56.4 IND
5 Robert Lakin 54 Wichita KS USA 2:57:22.6 IND
6 John Rupp 56 Santa Maria California USA 2:58:46.2 IND
7 Anthony Clarke 52 Barrington RI USA 3:01:38.7 IND
8 Keith Kreycik 52 Richmond VA USA 3:03:10.3 IND
9 Ian Spalding 54 Stratford-upon-Avon GBR 3:03:58.6 IND
10 Stephen Packard 55 Gainesville FL USA 3:05:34.6 IND

Sure, I did it as a heavyweight because it was just training.

But my 2:40:15 2K was indeed the best--by a long shot.

In 2004, Graham Watt did 30 seconds or so better for the FM, so he beat my 2K WR, too.

ranger

Bingo!

"2003"

are ye daft?
Your name is not on the list anyway...
you weren't among lightweights... as usual...


(snapping out of it)
What garbage is this thread coming to? We're focusing on what you may have done 8 years ago.
How about any IND_V today?
FI: What was ranger training this spring morning?


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