Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

I applaud ranger for actually working on efficiency instead of dreaming of it. This is HUGE!


"A man's pride is the most difficult obstacle"

-anonymous

You can't lighten up your stroking power to 11 SPI or your drag to 108 df. to gain some efficiency in a FM unless you row a lot at 13 SPI and 120 df. elsewhere.

Most 60s lwts pull 10 SPI elsewhere.

So, if they lighten up to gain some efficiency in a FM, they pull 8 SPI in a FM, as Rocket Roy did.

ranger

[ben990]

Where is the promised video from the other day?

I propose that this thread be renamed to "Ranger's lying thread".

[mrfit]

I think actually rowing a marathon again will give you lots of feedback on how to train for one. Fun to think about it though in the meantime.

[ranger]

I think actually rowing a marathon again will give you lots of feedback on how to train for one. Fun to think about it though in the meantime.

I need to figure out how to train for a FM on the erg?

That's not the issue.

Most of my training is FM training, and over my lifetime, I have trained for scores of FMs.

The issue is how to do a FM @ 1:48 on the erg as a 60s lwt.

That is 12 seconds per 500m better than the 60s lwt FM WR and six seconds per 500m better than the 60s hwt FM WR.

It predicts a 6:16 2K.

ranger

[ranger]

Where is the promised video from the other day?

Remind me: _Why_ am I doing a video?

I seem to have lost track of the point.

I am now rowing all of my meters at 108 df.

My first race will be a FM, 1:48 @ 25 spm (11 SPI, 108 df.), HR 155 bpm (75% HRR).

I think that 3800 strokes should be enough to demonstrate that I am now rowing well at low drag, even if PaulH thinks that I am not, or that it is impossible, or whatever.

ranger

[PaulH]

Where is the promised video from the other day?

Remind me: _Why_ am I doing a video?

I seem to have lost track of the point.

I am now rowing all of my meters at 108 df.

My first race will be a FM, 1:48 @ 25 spm (11 SPI, 108 df.), HR 155 bpm (75% HRR).

3800 strokes should be enough to demonstrate that I am now rowing well at low drag.

ranger

Well, a few days ago you said "What sort of evidence would you look for that would demonstrate that someone who is a WR-holder, and therefore whose fitness is maximal, has made certain sorts of promising technical progress?"

I replied that evidence that you could do more than one stroke at 13 spi and 119 df would be a good start. Gosh, do you remember all that time ago, back when 13 spi and 119 df seemed to be all you needed to do, for millions of meters? How times change, eh?

You then agreed to provide such a video.

That's the simple history. On a deeper level, though, the point I was making is that you keep *saying* that you're going to do something, such as a 1:48 FM, without ever actually doing it. Oddly you then display some frustration with us when we don't believe that you will do it the next time you say you will. Given that our skepticism is based on the evidence that you have provided, I thought it would be helpful to expand that body of evidence.

[ranger]

I think actually rowing a marathon again will give you lots of feedback on how to train for one.

I think that trials mainly teach you about race tactics.

It usually takes me two or three times doing a distance race in order to figure out how to get my best time (fade, build, steady, etc.).

ranger

[ranger]

Gosh, do you remember all that time ago, back when 13 spi and 119 df seemed to be all you needed to do, for millions of meters?

Hard to forget.

I have _already_ done 13 SPI and 119 df. for millions and millions of meters.

No, I am wondering why you need to be convinced.

What purpose would a video of my rowing serve, e.g., in furthering my training?

Are you going to give me pointers on technique?

ranger

[ranger]

On a deeper level, though, the point I was making is that you keep *saying* that you're going to do something, such as a 1:48 FM, without ever actually doing it

Sure.

I am preparing to race.

What's wrong with that?

True, preparing for a race and doing a race are not the same thing, but that shouldn't be a surprise to you.

Or is it?

Do you prepare for races, or do you just do them, without preparing for them?

I would think that beating one of the FM WRs by a dozen seconds per 500m might take some preparation.

You don't?

ranger

[redzone]

I have trained for scores of FMs.

Brilliant! Who else would brag about the number of things they've trained for but not actually done.

'Oh yeah, I trained to climb Everest, scores of times. The training is the tricky bit you know.'

[ranger]

The training is the tricky bit

Indeed it is.

In erging, your racing is just a redundant reflex of your training.

If you are fully prepared, racing on the erg is entirely predictable.

Racing a FM is especially predictable, once you are prepared for it.

It is just 2.5 hours of steady state rowing at 75% HRR.

ranger

[PaulH]

I have _already_ done 13 SPI and 119 df. for millions and millions of meters.

Congratulations - given that the first time you mentioned 119 df was Dec 31st, 2010, that means you've rowed *at least* 52k per day, every day, at that df since then. This is well in excess of what you've reported in your rigorously reported training since then. Some people might find that curious.

No, I am wondering why you need to be convinced.

I don't need to be convinced. I don't think you're going to do a FM at 1:48. In fact I don't think you *can* do so, though that's a separate issue. But that's just my opinion. Now what I'm wondering is why you get upset when people say you won't do this (and by upset I mean things like calling people vermin) when for the last 2,000 days and more you've said you're about to do something, and then reneged? Why *wouldn't* people doubt you?

(Edit: I originally calculated 26k per day, but realized I'd done the math wrong)

[redzone]

races...just do them, without preparing for them

I wholeheartedly agree. That would give you an idea of where you are now. Let us know once you've done one.

This is a fun game, hey everyone play along.

[whp4]

Gosh, do you remember all that time ago, back when 13 spi and 119 df seemed to be all you needed to do, for millions of meters?

Hard to forget.

I have _already_ done 13 SPI and 119 df. for millions and millions of meters.

No, I am wondering why you need to be convinced.

What purpose would a video of my rowing serve, e.g., in furthering my training?

Are you going to give me pointers on technique?

ranger

Probably everyone here could give you helpful pointers on rowing more than a few hundred meters at speed, uninterrupted!

[mrfit]

I think actually rowing a marathon again will give you lots of feedback on how to train for one. Fun to think about it though in the meantime.

I need to figure out how to train for a FM on the erg?

That's not the issue.

Most of my training is FM training, and over my lifetime, I have trained for scores of FMs.

The issue is how to do a FM @ 1:48 on the erg as a 60s lwt.

That is 12 seconds per 500m better than the 60s lwt FM WR and six seconds per 500m better than the 60s hwt FM WR.

It predicts a 6:16 2K.

ranger

I just said it will give you feedback.

It won't give you feedback?

Whatever. You spin the ranger-go-round not me.