Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

1:44 for a FM predicts a 1:30/6:00 2K.

A FM is done at 2K + 14.

ranger

[ranger]

I now row pretty darn well.

No 60s veteran has ever come within a lightyear of rowing well.

They have missed it by a half a minute over 2K, seven seconds per 500m, 3 SPI, 16 minutes over a FM, 3/4 of a mile over 60min, etc.

rager

[ranger]

Historically, I guess 60s veterans have just had the wrong training plan.

They have thought that racing their training would get them in shape for rowing.

Tsk, tsk.

How could they have been so foolish?

They should have been doing those one-arm, fingertip push ups and RWBs instead.



Oh well.

Water under the bridge.

Spilt milk.

From now on, they will know better.



ranger

[KevJGK]

But sure, I just paddled in the last 1K.....

This was your last 1K at BIRC.



I can think of a few descriptions - but not paddling.

[KevJGK]

I now row pretty darn well.

No wonder you won't post any current results.

[ranger]

When I get my weight in order and am fully trained, with both distance trials (AT) and anaerobic intervals (TR, AN), rowing well (12 SPI) at low drag (108 df.), I will now race 2K with flat splits, 1:34 @ 35 spm (12 SPI).

ranger

[hjs]

When I get my weight in order and am fully trained, with both distance trials (AT) and anaerobic intervals (TR, AN), rowing well (12 SPI) at low drag (108 df.), I will now race 2K with flat splits, 1:34 @ 35 spm (12 SPI).

ranger

Thats at least 6 things that will never happen

[ranger]

No wonder you won't post any current results

Bad races have no relevance to anything. Citing them is just insincere nastiness.

In my best races lately, I have been pulling 6:41, at max drag, unprepared, without distance rowing, distrance trials, or anaerobic intervals, still just working on technique.

That work on technique is now over.

I now row well (12 SPI) at low drag (108 df.).

I have been doing distance rowing for six months, at low drag (119 df.), preparing for distance trials.

After I am done with distance trials, I will sharpen with anaerobic intervals--and race.

ranger

[ben990]

Sure, I'll happily apologize if I've missed such a thing. So yes please, post just one of the videos of you rowing entirely naturally at a consistent 13 spi with 119 df. As these numbers are your choice, not mine, I imagine you'll be able to back them up with a display of the df from the monitor to start the video off. I'd be fascinated to see your rowing technique when you're doing it, but really just the monitor would be fine.

Sure.

I'd be happy to.

I'll see what I can put together tomorrow morning.

As I mentioned, I'll probably trade some rate for pace when I race and do 1:34 @ 35 spm, which is 12 SPI.

But sure, I now row naturally at 13 SPI and 119 df.

And the 12 SPI @ 119 df. is still wildly different from anything I did back in 2002-2003, when I raced at 10 SPI and max drag.

The ratio of the former is twice the latter.

ranger

Are you going to post a video this morning? I can't wait.

I hope you weren't lying about this...

[mikvan52]

I'll see what I can put together tomorrow morning.

Note that Cureton says he'll "see"... most assuredly not "I will"

If someone were his coach and consulted the following table he would know what we have on his hands:
A Dreamer, not a DO-er



Bottom line... 80% can be shown at any time... not tomorrow or next week or next fall or after sharpening.
So....Welcome to the land of the eternal erg-a-troll-ic!
May you post happily ever after!
Watch out for the "tar baby"!

[mikvan52]

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/5599/picture3cm.png

Note: ranger goals are not chosen using his favorite "double the d, add three" Rule...

2nd Note: ranger 2k wattage dropped from 2003 to his 55-59 days and dropped again to his 60-64 days... yet his goal now is to increase his watt production to a personal best.
.......(hmmmm)

I doubt I will ever have to update this table with 60-64 performances from our hero.....
There will be no "distance trials" ever posted as IND_V in the rankings.... ranger has never posted a single IND_V (!)

[Steve G]

No wonder you won't post any current results

Bad races have no relevance to anything. Citing them is just insincere nastiness.

In my best races lately, I have been pulling 6:41, at max drag, unprepared, without distance rowing, distrance trials, or anaerobic intervals, still just working on technique.

That work on technique is now over.

I now row well (12 SPI) at low drag (108 df.).

I have been doing distance rowing for six months, at low drag (119 df.), preparing for distance trials.

After I am done with distance trials, I will sharpen with anaerobic intervals--and race.

ranger

Rich
How can you now say you row well at 108 DF etc, you have only just started to use that setting. A tad premature I think!

Just interested in who states you have to do a FM in order to race a 2K, anybody else do a FM and work down?.
In running, we were always taught to work from the bottom, ie race 5ks, 10ks, 10 milers, HM and eventually FM

Steve

[mikvan52]

Rich
How can you now say you row well at 108 DF etc, you have only just started to use that setting.

Steve: Not to be a stickler ...

df and performance...as a subject... pretty obscure...
DO you really want to go there...?
In the real world, ergers can change their DF a fair amount and not have it make any difference...
I have found this to be true ===?> I get the same scores at 100df as I do at 125df...

(not that we really want to talk about training and performance here)

[Byron Drachman]

Thu Apr 02, 2009
Byron Drachman wrote:Then you will have no problem sending Henry a check for $1000 unless you verify your weight as a lightweight in a manner suitable to Henry and post a sub 6:40 2K with verification code before the end of this month.

Indeed I will.
Just as he will have no problem sending me $3000 when I win both the bets.
We are upstanding folks.
We pay our bets, if we lose.

April 30, 2009:
Yea, time has run out.
Oh well.
Don't much feel like doing a 2K, given that I still haven't sharpened for one.
2Ks hurt pretty badly if you aren't ready for them.
Hey, hjs, any possibility of modifying our $1000 bet along the lines of our $3000 bet?
A time extension would be _greatly_ appreciated.
That might be a squarer deal, given my situation (unprepared!).
I need to get sharpened up if I want to be doing 2Ks without a lot of grief.
Training is coming along great--but slowly.
Too slowly, it appears.
One last cry for mercy!

April 30, 2009: hjs is an ogre
no sympathy
no heart

May 5, 2009: I am doing trials at the other distances this spring and summer.
If I can't reach my goals in those trials, then I'll pay up for the bet I lost.
My attempt to get better has involved improving my technique.
That work is done.
I now row well (13 SPI).
If I can't reach my goals over the next couple of months, when I will use this improved technique in sprint and distance trials, I can't reach my goals later on.

Feb 17, 2010: Hey, Henry. I will send you the $1000 I owe you from the prize money I will win from the Chicago organizers when I break the 55s lwt WR this weekend in Cleveland.

Feb 17, 2010:

hjs wrote:
ranger wrote:
Hey, Henry.
I will send you the $1000 I owe you from the prize money I will win from the Chicago organizers when I break the 55s lwt WR this weekend in Cleveland.
I won't receive the money until March, though.
Of course, given that I am sending you the $1000 for the part of the bet that I lost last year, if I reach one of my targets this year, you will owe me a full $3000 in return.
As it looks now, I think I will reach _all_ of my targets, not just one, or a few.
Wish me luck!
ranger


The bet was clear Rich.

Last was year was about that 1000$, if you rowed any of your stated goals, I would have lost and you had won the double amount, If you broke a lightweight 6.40 but stayed above your own 2k goal it was a breakeven.
That was the 6.16/6.40 zone
The result was close but also clear 6.41, so I won, you owe me that 1000 $, Chicago has nothing to do with it.............
See: http://www.c2forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=9742&start=0
The other bet was not a bet, but more a promise from my side and it was not about this year, but I gave you the change to row any of your stated goals in your profile, at any point in your life, the ones pointing to a 6.16 2k.
No time restictions.
clear proof of your weight status.
and clear proof of the row.
So the situation is clear, you owe me that 1000 dollar, but after you have settled that bet, you can win that back 3 fold.
Good luck with your row, the WR is possible for you, but it is also still far from your goals. Those are without a doubt unreachable. And not only for you but for every man your size and age.
So if you choose to pay your debt PM me.

Ranger wrote:
Yes, exactly.
I just prefer to pay you the bet I lost last year with my rowing winnings from this year, so that my wife doesn't kill me.
Marriages are cooperative ventures, you know.
Given that I have been married for 35 years, I would hate to end a good thing on a rowing bet.
Males.
What good are they?
It is amazing that good women put up with us.

April 26, 2010: Sure, I'll owe the $1K bet if I fail to hit my targets when I am fully trained. But not until then. That won't be long now.

Nov 17, 2010: I'll pay the bet when I lose it. I haven't lost the bet.
I am sure that Henry will pay up the $2000 he will owe me when I win. He is a stand-up guy. The bet should certainly be resolved this winter, when I will reach all of my goals.

Feb 14, 2011: Just in the natural course of this training, I should hit all of my distance targets and therefore collect my $2000 from Henry this spring.

[mikvan52]

(quoting)

April 30, 2009:

2Ks hurt pretty badly if you aren't ready for them.

Hey Byron... go easy on the old man... will ya?
Such eloquent tips about pain management are so very useful!

w/o ranger I would have never figured this out