Ranger's training thread

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » March 5th, 2011, 1:47 pm

Mike--

I have already done a sub-6:30 2K at 12 SPI, without even preparing for it.

Just because you haven't is no reason to say that I haven't.

You haven't come within 15 second of that, and now you would have a hard time coming within 25 seconds of that.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » March 5th, 2011, 1:49 pm

mikvan52 wrote:One hard, ten easy, one hard, ten easy....
Nope.

They are all the same.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » March 5th, 2011, 1:55 pm

I'll get some 2Ks on utube for you over the next week or so.

I figured out how to do the camera and lighting, etc., in my basement this morning, but that was after my 20K session, so as it turned out, I was too tired to do 2Ks.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » March 5th, 2011, 1:58 pm

ranger wrote:Mike--

I have already done a sub-6:30 2K at 12 SPI, without even preparing for it.

Just because you haven't is no reason to say that I haven't.

You haven't come within 15 second of that, and now you would have a hard time coming within 25 seconds of that.

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Subject Change again:
What do you do now as a lwt ...
??
How about what you did as a 55-59 lwt..?
Answer 6:40.. to my 6:45
You are 5 seconds better as of a couple years ago.
Now: I am at 6:55 and you are at 7:02.

and.. you still cannot do an IND_V 2k this year at 12.5 watts/spm as you claimed up until this morning when you dropped your target to 12.0.

It's a bs measurement anyway.
That's why you like it.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » March 5th, 2011, 1:59 pm

ranger wrote:
mikvan52 wrote:One hard, ten easy, one hard, ten easy....
Nope.

They are all the same.

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All your screen shots today tell a different story.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » March 5th, 2011, 2:05 pm

ranger wrote:I'll get some 2Ks on utube for you over the next week or so.

I figured out how to do the camera and lighting, etc., in my basement this morning, but that was after my 20K session, so as it turned out, I was too tired to do 2Ks.

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No you won't. And, if I'm wrong it will not be an IND_V w/HR data from your suunto belt because the complete picture would refute most everything you've claimed.

There is no reason to delay an easy 2k piece at UT tomorrow.
Set the *WORKOUT to 2k after enabling your HR.
after you are done
*MORE OPTIONS
*MEMORY
(+)

It's so effing easy!
I don't need you to "race your training"
just show everyone here how you really row during part of your daily 20k..

Faker.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by snowleopard » March 5th, 2011, 2:11 pm

ranger wrote:I figured out how to do the camera and lighting, etc., in my basement this morning
WTF? You already have a bunch of videos from the crypt on YouTube. Did you forget how you did them the last time? Sheesh :roll:

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » March 5th, 2011, 2:15 pm

I pulled the sub-6:30 2K @ 12 SPI at high drag in 2006 when I was 55, and without proper training--distance rowing, distance trials, anaerobic intervals, etc.

The great advantage of doing the same thing at low drag is the rise in efficiency.

Because of the massively high ratios when you row at 12-13 SPI and 95 df., high rates don't feel frenetic at all.

Drive time is almost instantaneous.

Most of the time is spent resting.

Right up to race rates, e.g., 35 spm.

At 95 df. and 12 SPI, I don't know, but I might pull 36 spm in close to a 3-to-1 ratio.

.4 seconds for the drive.

1.2 seconds for the recovery.

The drive is easier to do at low drag, too, because it is done more with the legs and against lighter resistance.

Of course. this time around, I can also do my training completely, and in the proper order, from the top down, starting with the FM, working through other distance trials, then moving on to long (TR) and short (AN) intervals.

I did nothing of the sort in 2006.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » March 5th, 2011, 2:17 pm

snowleopard wrote:
ranger wrote:I figured out how to do the camera and lighting, etc., in my basement this morning
WTF? You already have a bunch of videos from the crypt on YouTube. Did you forget how you did them the last time? Sheesh :roll:
That was five years ago.

My erg's not in the same place.

The lighting is different.

Etc.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » March 5th, 2011, 2:27 pm

Yum.

Garlic bread is just out of the oven, from bread I baked fresh yesterday.

Now I am moving on to this:

http://southernfood.about.com/od/redsna ... 51029a.htm

A nice salad with fingerling potatoes will be sides.

The wine is Argenginian, Catena Cabernet 2007.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Tinpusher » March 5th, 2011, 2:49 pm

ranger wrote:In rowing, the major advantage of low drag, I think, is that it encourages faster legs and footwork, if you have the skills to handle it.
Don't forget the "run" of the erg at low drag. All those lovely "free metres". :roll:
If you can take a picture of your screen at the end of a minute or so of trying to find that one perfect stroke that fits your nebulous argument, what's so difficult about taking one at the end of 20K? Forget where the camera is?
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » March 5th, 2011, 2:56 pm

Tinpusher wrote:
ranger wrote:In rowing, the major advantage of low drag, I think, is that it encourages faster legs and footwork, if you have the skills to handle it.
Don't forget the "run" of the erg at low drag. All those lovely "free metres". :roll:
If you can take a picture of your screen at the end of a minute or so of trying to find that one perfect stroke that fits your nebulous argument, what's so difficult about taking one at the end of 20K? Forget where the camera is?
No need to take the _end_ of the 20K.

I can film the monitor for the whole thing.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » March 5th, 2011, 2:58 pm

Hmm.

The 95 df. thing is a nice lark.

It's fine at 23 spm, "Steamrollering."

But it is clear that my legs are too short to make it work at race rates (36 spm, etc.).

120 df. is much better there, and so, probably, everywhere.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Tinpusher » March 5th, 2011, 3:03 pm

ranger wrote:No need to take the _end_ of the 20K.

I can film the monitor for the whole thing.
You can! But you won't. :roll:

We're not interested in watching you huff and puff your way through it all, just the screenshot at the end will do. Your memory card probably isn't big enough for the couple of hours it will take. :twisted:
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » March 5th, 2011, 3:29 pm

Tinpusher wrote:We're not interested in watching you huff and puff your way through it all, just the screenshot at the end will do.
I'm not very interested in what you are interested in.

Clearly, it's not very productive.

Someone who is more on the ball might be interested, though.

So, it wouldn't be a waste.

The loss would be yours.

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