Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

Great 49 second piece...!
Unprecedented!

How about 7 minutes of it w/hr data and IND_V?

Depends on what your weaknesses are, Mike, what you need to do to get better.

I have nothing to prove about sustained rowing for seven minutes.

Clearly, there is no problem with my physical capacities.

I have three WR rows.

No one my age and weight has ever done as well.

I can't get any better putting strokes together.

Where I can get better is in my execution of each stroke.

So that is what I am working on.

What are you working on?

You don't row well and you can't put your bad strokes together for a fast time, either.

So, it seems that you have a _lot_ to work on.

Good luck with it.

ranger

[ranger]

I could beat you at 2k this morning

Training isn't racing, Mike.

Good race preparation is a sequenced affair.

It starts from a FM and works down, although the starting point predicts the end point.

So, do a FM.

See what you get.

You are only as good over 2K as your FM.

A FM is done at 2K + 14.

If you can only do a FM at 1:58, then your talk is pretty much over about what you might do over 2K.

1:44 is your limit for 2K.

ranger

[mikvan52]

analysis

O.K.




120 df.

1:17 of rowing for 285 meters
is equivalent to
2:15 of rowing for 500 meters

This yields a watts/stroke rate value of 6.18 at 23 spm..

Is that good for you?

[ranger]

Which is smarter training Rich?

My faith is that investment in the future pays off.

Your faith seems to be in present performance.

Sure, as time goes on, we will indeed see which is the smarter training.

So far, I have been right (you haven't gotten anywhere near my 2K times, even though you are younger), but who knows, perhaps a lot of racing will make you better than you are now and a lot of work on my weaknesses will just make me worse.

The logic seems reversed to me, but I will be happy to admit I have been wrong, if it turns out that way.

So far so good.

You haven't done anything close to what I have, even though I haven't even been preparing to race and have still been ironing out difficulties with technique.

ranger

[mikvan52]

I could beat you at 2k this morning

Training isn't racing, Mike.

But you said 1:46 pace is UT... How is that racing for you?

My 1:45 would beat your UT 1:46...

Wriggle, wriggle, wriggle
You really make me giggle...
Turkey.

You go first?
or, do you need me to lead the way as usual?

Maybe what you're saying is that you need to screw-it-up a notch & twist your knickers so you can summon the courage to do 7 minutes of rowing at UT?
Why not go to your muse, Juice Lady, and have her read the tea leaves for you?

[ranger]

I could beat you at 2k this morning

Training isn't racing, Mike.

But you said 1:46 pace is UT... How is that racing for you?

My 1:45 would beat your UT 1:46...

Wriggle, wriggle, wriggle
You really make me giggle...
Turkey.

You go first?
or, do you need me to lead the way as usual?

Mike--

You don't need me to row a FM and discover your limitations over 2K.

I'll race a FM as soon as I am ready.

If you are ready now, hey, just do it.

I will probably train for a month or so more before I give it a go.

ranger

[mikvan52]

I'll race a FM as soon as I am ready.

I will probably train for a month or so more before I give it a go.

Subject shift!!!!

I was saying RIch:

YOU CANNOT ROW 7 MINUTES OF UT ERGING AT 23 SPM AND UT HR AT 1:46 PACE ... and your answer is off the subject...
You really are a train-wreck this morning! Tough night?

[mikvan52]

time marker
It's 7:06 am..

ranger took his toys and left the playground with nothing left to say...

pathetic!

[KevJGK]

I will probably train for a month or so more before I give it a go.

Did you really mean "or so" as in imprecise but fairly close to correct; "lasted approximately 6 minutes 16 seconds"; "in just about 7 minutes"; "he's about 60 years old"; "I've had about all I can stand"; "we meet about once a month"; "some forty people came"; "weighs around a hundred and seventy five pounds"; "I owe Henry roughly $3,000"; "I sweat 3 gallons, more or less"; "10 or so people were at my funeral"

Or did you mean "I will probably train for a month or a year, or heck even ten years or longer before I give it a go. Beats me."

[ranger]

Rowing is repetitive.

It is just one stroke after another.

If your physical capacity and fitness are both high, as mine are, the quality of your rowing, in the end, depends on the quality of each stroke.

Stroke, stroke, stroke, stroke, stroke, stroke, ...

I now row (pretty darn) well (12 SPI) at minimal drag (95 df.).

Delighted with that.

ranger

[ranger]

Or did you mean "I will probably train for a month or a year, or heck even ten years or longer before I give it a go. Beats me."

Sure, I might train for more than a month before things come together for a FM trial.

I hope not, but who knows?

Nothing wrong with persistence and long-term goals.

Doesn't really matter, in my case.

What I am doing now beats you (and everyone else), anyway, without even preparing for it.

ranger

[mikvan52]

I now row well (12 SPI) at minimal drag (95 df.).

ranger

Time marker: 7:38 March 5th, 2011

ranger's (stated but not shown) watts/stroke rate index has "weakened" further... falling to 12.0 from 12.5

forecast: continuing weakening until death

Rich? You want a prediction, I'll give you a prediction:

PREDICTION

[ranger]

I now row well (12 SPI) at minimal drag (95 df.).

ranger

Time marker: 7:38 March 5th, 2011

ranger's (stated but not shown) watts/stroke rate index has "weakened" further... falling to 12.0 from 12.5

Yes, I think I'll only pull 12 SPI if I row at 95 df.

Then again, 95 df. makes the rowing quite a bit easier.

So I would trade in some effectiveness but perhaps gain even more in efficiency.

For a 60s lwt, 12 SPI is entirely adequate as a stroking power.

12 SPI @ 35 spm is 1:34/6:16 for 2K.

It wouldn't be hard to rate 35 spm in a 2K if the drag is set at 95 df.

ranger

[ranger]

12 SPI

22 spm 1:50
26 spm 1:44
30 spm 1:39
32 spm 1:37
34 spm 1:35
35 spm 1:34

ranger

[JimR]

ranger ... yesterday you posted this ...

I am training for a FM trial.

No timetable on this training, but I assume it will have an endpoint before the OTW rowing season rolls around.

My hope is that my improved technique has made me faster, because more effective and efficient, even though I am now a decade older that when I set my pbs.

Thinking of something Byron has posted recently I went back to a post you made on 5/15/2008 ... nearly three years ago ...

I do about 20K a day on the erg.

I am doing a lot of 1:48 @ 20 spm right now, training for my FM trial at the end of the month.

So I'm wondering ...

a) why the last three years of training have not made you any better?

b) why do you make any assumptions of about an FM trial happening soon when it hasn't happened for three years (maybe five years if I remember Bryon's post correctly?

JimR