Ranger's training thread

[mikvan52]

I’m now totally confused

Sure, probably a bit senile, too, as all geezers like us are.

But so it goes.

No need for a lot of thought about these things, really.

Try a FM @ 22 spm and 13 spm.

ranger:
If at all possible I will do my best to be classified in any group to which you belong.
I'll stay away from the FM.
You will say you'll do one but will never show one IND_V with HR data.

Bye!...I'm headed to Boston (another difference between you and me)
Stay deluded while I'm gone.

[ranger]

don't compare yourself to real lightweights like Mike VB

Actually, Mike VB has more non-fat body mass than I do.

He is just leaner.

Mike is 6'0" but walks around at 8% body fat (when he isn't injured, inactive, and flubbery, as he is now).

ranger

[ranger]

I'm headed to Boston (another difference between you and me)

What, that you live in the East and I live in the Midwest?

Sure, if I lived in the East, I would also drive over to Boston to watch the races like you.

The races are fun to watch.

And I hear the hot dogs are mustardy; and the popcorn, salty.

Who says that rowing isn't a good audience-sport?

I think it's exciting stuff.

You seem to agree.

ranger

[TomR]

I'm headed to Boston (another difference between you and me)

since i won't dare race, i'm irrelevant.

ranger

fixed

[ranger]

I was also glad to see no reference to your speed in your last post about your Kurt Kinetic trainer session. Be careful to not let anyone know how little power your legs are really able to produce at UT1 heart rates.

Rowing is not all legs.

The best rowers get a bigger and bigger part of their stroking power from their core, relative to lesser rowers.

The upper body also plays some role in a rowing stroke.

Just take a look at an elite rower.

That tells the story.

Elite rowers don't look like bikers or runners at all.


By null at 2010-09-21

As I have said many times, I ride in and around 19 MPH on the Kurt Kinetic.

ranger

[ranger]

You will say you'll do one but will never show one IND_V with HR data.

One?

I am now training for _all_ of the distance races.

Sure, as I get them done, I'll post the screen shots, HR data and all.

No need to cut weight for these rows, though.

If I hit my targets, when I am done, I will hold all of the 60s hwt WRs from 5K through a FM, by 4-6 seconds per 500m.

FM 6 seconds per 500m
HM 5 seconds per 500m
60min 4 seconds per 500m
10K 3 seconds per 500m
30min 3 seconds per 50m
6K 3 seconds per 500m
5K 4 seconds per 500m

ranger

[goblin]

I was also glad to see no reference to your speed in your last post about your Kurt Kinetic trainer session. Be careful to not let anyone know how little power your legs are really able to produce at UT1 heart rates.

The best rowers get a bigger and bigger part of their stroking power from their core, relative to lesser rowers.

The upper body also plays some role in a rowing stroke.

Just take a look at an elite rower.

That tells the story.

Elite rowers don't look like bikers or runners at all.


By null at 2010-09-21


ranger

Ok, let's take a look at an elite rower.

http://www.tinmtn.org/mwarbh/results/re ... /index.cfm

Note the second place finisher - Greg Ruckman. Here is a photo of Greg 3 years later:



Greg's podium finish at the Mt. Washington Hill Climb puts his name alongside other top finishers - Tyler Hamilton, Tom Danielson, Ned Overend. All world class, elite cyclists. There are pro tour cyclists who couldn't dream of finishing within 10 minutes of Tyler Hamilton's time on a mountain time trial when he was racing.

The list of cyclists to break 1 hour for the Mt. Washington Hill Climb:

Anthony Colby
CARL SWENSON
CURT DAVIS
FRANK MCCORMICK
GENEVIEVE JEANSON
GREG RUCKMAN
GREG SIENIEWICZ
GREGORY SIENIEWICZ
Ian Ayers
JEANNIE LONGO
JESSE ANTHONY
JOHN BAYLEY
Joseph Moody
Justin England
KURT DAVIS
MICHAEL CARTER
MICHAEL ENGLEMAN
Ned Overend
PHILIP WONG
ROBERT DAPICE
Ryan Robinson
SCOTT MONINGER
SCOTTIE WEISS
THOMAS DANIELSON
TIM JOHNSON
TYLER HAMILTON

Power is power, Rich. In cycling, and in erging, an absurd aerobic engine and the ability to produce raw power (with his legs) is what got Greg Ruckman up that hill and its what got him to have one of the best American (if not the American record) lightweight erg times.

[mikvan52]

Elite rowers don't look like bikers or runners at all.

Ok, let's take a look at an elite rower (who is a great cyclist).


- Greg Ruckman. Here is a photo of Greg:



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Let's take a look at another: a fabulous rower turned cyclist turned rower >>> Drew Ginn

http://www.worldrowing.com/display/modu ... wid=325042

[atklein90]

Yea, I am a midweight, but because of fat, not muscle and bone.

I am only 5'11" and have small bones.

I weighed 155 lbs. in college.

ranger

What the he'll difference does it make what you weighed in college?

Kind of sad you need to put numbers up from 40 years ago to make yourself feel better for being a big fat fatty now.

Then again, referencing your past is the only thing you've got, now that you fail to produce anything.

Maybe you need to learn a little self control when it comes to eating.

[Byron Drachman]

And another rower (a sculler) who went to cycling with a bang. Rowers, speed skaters, and fencers (although I confess I don't have any examples as evidence) seem to make the transition easily.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca_Romero

[Citroen]

Has anyone noticed that there's an indoor rower/runner/cyclist that's gone from being a rower to being a complete arsehole? http://www.c2forum.com/memberlist.php?m ... file&u=484

[becz]

Yes, it's hard for me to make weight and row well, but I have done it a couple of dozen times now, including three WR rows and four major championship golds.ranger

Ummm, you give 7 examples. But a "couple of dozen" = 12 x 2 = 24. Does the rest include the 7:02, DNF, DNS, DNS, 7:04, DNS, et al?

[Byron Drachman]

Ranger wrote: I was a marathon runner for 30 years (20 years old to 50 years old).

Therein lies your problem. Your background is as a marathon runner, tell me, in your prime, how many sub 4 minute miles were you able to run? I would imagine none. That is because full marathons do not prepare you, whatsoever, for flat out mile efforts. But you propose that, by training for a full marathon, and then sharpening you will pull a world record 2k.

You have absolutely no idea what you're doing.

Your reply was based on the assumption that Ranger was telling the truth. He wasn't, it's been discussed (to death) that his marathon running performances were nearly as piss poor as his recent 5K time trials on the ergo.

The only truth is that he has "absolutely no idea" about anything. We've not had the delights of rangerworld maths or physics recently.

Yes, I miss Ranger-physics and your and Nav's translations of Ranger-speak. Did this gem on nutrition during a marathon slip by unnoticed by our hero's devoted followers?

July 28, 2010: I have never hit the wall rowing a FM. I don't even have to drink water along the way. You just pick a pace; hold it, and row.

That is solid advice. When I row a (virtual of course) marathon I don't drink water either. Next time you row a virtual marathon, try doing it without taking in any liquids. I think you'll find it does not make any difference.

Hi Dougie,

You were lamenting the recent absence of Ranger-physics. Did you catch this beauty? BTW, I believe the first sentence is true. I had always suspected that a stroke is a stroke and it was good to see that in black and white so that all doubt is removed.

But a stroke is a stroke. Each time you do one, the energy cost you incur is pretty much the same, no matter what pace or distance you are rowing.

[BrianStaff]

Yes, it's hard for me to make weight and row well...

But now that you're a heavyweight, you obviously finding hard to row at all.

What is it - 3 DNS's already and possibly another one this weekend?

[ranger]

If at all possible I will do my best to be classified in any group to which you belong.

Not sure what you mean here.

Until you are 60 years old, you can't be rowing in the 60s age group, as I am.

You have younger rowers to compete against.

I am older than you.

ranger