Ranger's training thread

[JimR]

Maybe if the SPI were calculated for every rower of every race for the last 10 years ... and the trend of SPI vs finish position were analyzed ... and SPI turned out to be the best predictor of finish position (i.e. higher SPI always wins) ... then maybe as case could be made.

So, facts and individual performances are a better guide to training than ideals?

Yes, I know you folks think that.

How wrong it is.

How wrong it is.

For everything you prepare for in life, not just rowing.

ranger

You really do have a reading comprehension issue don't you? My point was that perhaps more information would improve the thinking ... your "off in the weeds" reply is just stupid.

How does your theory explain what Claus shared ... 7 athletes in their prime and all row much less than well by your account?

JimR

[ranger]

At the Crash B they might raise their SPI

Yes, not the best races for these folks.

Stephansen took it easy at the end, or faded badly.

He was six seconds off of his WR, 1.5 seconds per 500m.

If you add that to his pace here, in the middle of the race, he would be pulling 12.6 SPI.

Eskild's times, off course, are _way_ off of his best as a younger rower, and appearently, not for physical reasons.

He now has to work all day!

Training time is limited.

As a result, he is now rowing 16 seconds off of WR pace.

That's 4 seconds per 500m.

If you add that to his time here, in the center of his race, he would be pulling 13 SPI.

ranger

[ranger]

So, facts and individual performances are a better guide to training than ideals?

Yes, on two levels. Trivially, ideals aren't necessarily suited to the vagaries of the individual. More importantly, you're not actually working to an ideal, you're working to an invented metric with an arbitrarily assigned integer value.

Sure, there are individual vagaries.

But it is just such vagaries that all training plans must handle as exceptions.

"Arbitrarily assigned interger value"?

No.

I am working to an ideal, and even though I am 60, it appears that I don't have any severe "vagaries" that are preventing me from reaching that ideal.

ranger

[macroth]

At the Crash B they might raise their SPI

Yes, not the best races for these folks.

Stephansen took it easy at the end, or faded badly.

He was six seconds off of his WR, 1.5 seconds per 500m.

If you add that to his pace here, in the middle of the race, he would be pulling 12.6 SPI.

Eskild's times, off course, are _way_ off of his best as a younger rower, and appearently, not for physical reasons.

He now has to work all day!

Training time is limited.

As a result, he is now rowing 16 seconds off of WR pace.

That's 4 seconds per 500m.

If you add that to his time here, in the center of his race, he would be pulling 13 SPI.

ranger

Hey, dipshit, why assume they wouldn't also increase their SPM, and why focus only on what they may or may not pull in the middle of their 2K instead of the overall race? Is it because only the most cherry-picked data can come close to supporting your ridiculous statements? Don't be such an insincere cynic.

I am working to an ideal, and even though I am 60, it appears that I don't have any severe "vagaries."

Prof, do you know what "vagary" means? It's not a synonym of "weakness", although you have plenty of those, both mental and physical, and the latter are most definitely linked to your age.

[PaulH]

"Arbitrarily assigned interger value"?

No, "arbitrarily assigned integer value"

I am working to an ideal

No you're not, you're working to a number you made up. That's not an ideal.

and even though I am 60, it appears that I don't have any severe "vagaries."

Well I just checked in the dictionary under ''vagary" and there was a picture of you, but if you prefer shall we use the word "strengths" instead? Whatever, the invented standard of 13 for an invented metric isn't an ideal.

[Bob S.]

I have Ranger on the block list, so I don't see his messages except for quotes in the replies. Since yours seem to be getting as tiresome as his, it looks like should add one more name to the list.

Bob S.

Can't we all just get along?
**said as I duck out of this thread for a while**

What? And destroy the whole basis of the thread? Without controversy where would it be???

Bob S.

[jliddil]

This "logic" reminds me of the series House and the season he had his psychotic break

[ranger]

why assume they wouldn't also increase their SPM

Because they haven't before; Stephansen, e.g., is already rating 44 spm.

It's pretty hard (and perhaps ineffective and inefficient) to rate higher than 44 spm for 2K.

ranger

[macroth]

why assume they wouldn't also increase their SPM

Because they haven't before; Stepansen, e.g., is already rating 44 spm.

It's pretty hard (and perhaps ineffective and inefficient) to rate higher than 44 spm for 2K.

ranger

He's rating 40 in the middle 1K, you moron.

[ranger]

you're working to a number you made up

No, I didn't just make it up.

I have just given you the evidence that I have used to come up with the number.

Ripley, Caviston, Ebbesen, Luini, Benton, Fleming, Sijekowsky, Cashin, Waddell, myself, etc.

ranger

[ranger]

He's rating 40 in the middle 1K

Yes.

As usual.

ranger

[MRapp]

Will any forumites be at Cincinnati to give play by play on The Fraud's race? Or more likely, what time he pisses his pants and sneaks out of the building before his race?

For those with WIRC experience, do they do the live simulcast of races similar to BIRC? Please tell me they do, I could use a big laugh next weekend.

[ranger]

I don't know. 'Well' is a subjective term

No need to use the word "well" at all.

So, what is the role of leverage, footwork, timing, sequencing, length, quickness, preparation, rhythmicity, posture, balance, relaxation, control, smoothness, consistency, drag, drive time, ratio, etc., both individually, and in interaction with one another, in erging?

ranger

[lancs]

Ripley, Caviston, Ebbesen, Luini, Benton, Fleming, Sijekowsky, Cashin, Waddell, myself, etc.

Why do you include yourself with this group of athletes? You have little in common with them.

No evidence exists that the race you refer to was 'pulled' at 12 spi, although this is clearly irrelevant anyway.

Why do you lie so much?

[ranger]

No evidence exists that the race you refer to was 'pulled' at 12 spi, although this is clearly irrelevant anyway.

Yes, it was pulled at 12 SPI.

No, it's not irrelevant.

I rated 31 spm (1:38) for 1700m and then finished at 34 spm (1:34).

But I did it at pretty high drag, without preparing for it, and still struggling with technique.

I am much better than that now.

I now row well (13 SPI) at low drag (119 df.).

ranger