Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

The reason that 2k times fall off so sharply after 60 years old or so is underlined by Stephen Rounds' talk about his training in the new _Rowing News_.

Rounds in the present WR holder in the 75 hwts (7:22) and has won about a dozen hammers in his 70s.

His training consists of the same thing every day.

He just gets out of bed each morning and does a 2K as hard as he can.

And that's it.

I suspect that, as time goes on, the WRs in these older divisions will start to conform to the general decline with age of about a second a year over 2K after 20.

That means that, pretty soon, the 75 hwts WR will be 6:30.

The 70s hwt WR will be 6:25.

The 65s hwt WR will be 6:20.

The 60s hwt WR will be 6:15.

ranger

[JimR]

The reason that 2k times fall off so sharply after 60 years old or so is underlined by Stephen Rounds' talk about his training in the new _Rowing News_.

So one person describes their training and clearly that has to mean everyone does exactly the same thing every day.

Except of course you ... who is the only one who knows how to train ... because everyone else is stupid and you are a genius?!

Laughable ... except where you setup the posts you intend to make for the next 10 years. Now that you are wealthy beyond belief and about to retire perhaps you can hire a ghost writer for the forum. Just take all your posting for the previous 12 months and update the age references each year.

Oh ... and lower the "goals" by a second each year so the spread between reality and your projects continues to increase.

JimR

[hjs]

So olympic athletes who win gold..at a young age perform poorly

No, certainly not.

But learning to row well, even for them, is not instantaneous, by any means.

Many of them, I suspect, have been rowing for a decade.


ranger

No, some row 2 years and win already medals at the olympics.

[mrfit]

You could move 10% per year (or about $100k). That's very restrictive. I'd lose my mind if I had my money locked up like that.

Why?

When the market has gone down 50% and you have lost nothing, it would drive you crazy because you only had $100,000 a year of cash on hand, year after year, for the next ten years, to buy stocks, starting at the market bottom on the way up 100% or more at a new market high six or seven years later, and then beyond that to new highs?

Then you're nutty.

ranger

Why?

Well, if I could have only moved $100k into stocks in March 2009 I would have essentially lost the chance to make significanly larger returns as the market recovered remarkably fast. Getting out fast in nice and getting in fast is nice. If you do not understand the value of liquidity in a volatile market, what can I say? You have a hard time understanding what cash is. Maybe they have a class you can take at UM?

[ranger]

So one person describes their training and clearly that has to mean everyone does exactly the same thing every day.

No, it just points to the fact that, as it now stands, someone in the upper age brackets (70s, 80s, etc.), someone whom _Rowing News_ calls the most decorated erger in the history of the sport, and someone who is still a WR-holder, can train by just rowing a hard 2K each morning--and that's it.

I suspect that training in this way would take 30-45 seconds off of the 2K time of most younger rowers (30s, 40s, 50s, 60s).

Wouldn't you agree?

ranger

[ranger]

Getting out fast in nice and getting in fast is nice. If you do not understand the value of liquidity in a volatile market, what can I say?

Given the uncertainties and dangers, getting back in the market at $100K a year, given that I lost nothing at all in the downturn, and all of my other money is making 6%, is just fine.

Over the last dozen years, I have averaged about 12% a year on all of my money, year after year, in market that, over that dozen years, made nothing at all.

The secret to making a lot of money, just like the secret of good training, is protection on the downside, plus robust, steady gains.

You don't understand risk.

Pigs like you get slaughtered.

ranger

[ranger]

Well, if I could have only moved $100k into stocks in March 2009 I would have essentially lost the chance to make significanly larger returns as the market recovered remarkably fast. Getting out fast in nice and getting in fast is nice. If you do not understand the value of liquidity in a volatile market, what can I say? You have a hard time understanding what cash is. Maybe they have a class you can take at UM?

You are just speaking retrospectively, now that you know what the market did.

This talk is unreal, and therefore, irrelevant.

It has no "class" at all.

ranger

[ranger]

Someone who busts a gut every day, racing their training, has a lot to talk about that is positive--until they get injured, stale, or sick.

Then they not only have nothing to talk about--they have nothing to do.

They are incapacitated and therefore can't row at all.

ranger

[ranger]

People need to wake up.

Financial advising is just a huge scan, to the benefit of the financial advisor.

I would never give my money to a so-called professional to manage unless this were the arrangement:

(1) All shortfalls under a 6% return come out of your pocket.

(2) I will give you 20% of my profits from returns over 6%.

Arrangements such as this would underpin the absurdity of financial advising as it is now practiced.

Professionals are hired for the purposes of advising you how to make more money with your money that you can make with your money.

If you lose money, due to their advice, they benefit.

If you make money, due to their advice, they benefit.

Even though it is _your_ money that is being invested.

Bizarre.

Nothing in the real world works this way.

Everyone needs to take responsibility for their failures as well as their successes.

ranger

[ranger]

The reason financial advisors don't respect the dangers of risk is that they don't take any responsibility for that risk.

ranger

[JimR]

The reason financial advisors don't respect the dangers of risk is that they don't take any responsibility for that risk.

ranger

And the reason you don't respect the words you post on the forum is because you take no responsibility for these words.

Yes, I am starting to understand the parallels between investing and rowing. So your rowing is a down market and rather than continuing to lose "capital" (i.e. slow down) you should sit on the sidlines in a "safe" place>

Fasinating!

JimR

[jliddil]

someone whom _Rowing News_ calls the most decorated erger in the history of the sport,

ranger

Prove it. Reference. Year, Issue, Page Number

[mrfit]

Getting out fast in nice and getting in fast is nice. If you do not understand the value of liquidity in a volatile market, what can I say?

You don't understand risk.

Pigs like you get slaughtered.

ranger

Nobody cheers on the contrarian. Stand him up and call him names. Burn witch..Burn!!!!!

[ranger]

someone whom _Rowing News_ calls the most decorated erger in the history of the sport,

ranger

Prove it. Reference. Year, Issue, Page Number

The most recent issue, December 2010, p. 83.

"Rounds is, by all accounts, the most-decorated indoor rower in the world."

ranger

[ranger]

So your rowing is a down market

No, the last two years, I had the best 2K in age and weight division--by some margin--even though I was in the last two years in my age division (58 and 59) and spent most of my time and energy investing in the future, training, overcoming my weaknesses, rather than preparing to race, parading my strengths.

This last year, no one my age and weight (or older) came within 20 seconds of my 2K.

The real pay-off from my long investment is still to come.

That's how good investment works.

You spend, sure, but you save a lot, too, along the way.

Money makes money.

So you end up rich, rather than broke.

Because of the misplaced emphasis of the major training programs for rowing (i.e., preparing to race, rather than learning to row well), almost all indoor rowers who row for more than just a couple of years end up broke--sick, injured, stale, or just fed up, and therefore no longer interested in erging. Why? All of their training just made them worse and worse, and they couldn't figure out why.

The traditional training plans for rowing are like diets that make you fat.

They are self-defeating.

After a _very_ short while, the most important thing to do with your training in order to get better is to learn to row well.

But the standard training programs for rowing have nothing to say about this.

ranger