Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

Congratulations on being encouraged to retire

I don't know about you, by given that I have enough money for retirement, I don't have to be encouraged to stop working.

It will be fun to get up late and drift down to the river for a row.

I guessed _both_ of the stock market bubbles over the last decade (the tech bubble and the housing bubble) and made a pile of cash on my good investment decisions, selling out completely at the top and then buying in at the bottom and riding the market all the way back to the top again.

I will have about twice as much money per year to live on in retirement than I have had when I was working.

My wife also has a pension, and we both have social security, too.

That's enough.

My wife and I live pretty simply, and we already own a second home (and will own our first home, too, and so be debt-free).

Ann Arbor is a great place to live in retirement.

So is Door County, WI.

ranger

[ranger]

In two years we can look forward to even more postings.

Sure.

Why not?

ranger

[mikvan52]

Can you produce the watts to win BIRC ?.... I believe you can. I don't know that you will because of your absurd contention that you can maintain 408 watts for 6 minutes and 20 seconds. This is too much of a load for you (and me) (and every 55-59 lwt hominid)

Mike--

As I said now multiple times, at BIRC 2010, I'll row what my training tells me I am capable of, whatever that might be.
(etc)

So, in effect, you are saying that, just days before the BIRC, you do not know your capabilities?
How does this compare to the oft-repeated statement of yours: " I will row BIRC at 30 spm and 1:35 pace " ?

Help me out here..
Please.

A couple other questions:
What is your fall 2010 500m best in you build up to this weekend's race?
What is your weight when you step out of bed in the morning?
When do you cancel your trip to England?
How will you be able to limit your HUGE increases in speed once you retire so as to not scare the general public?

[JimR]

... As I said now multiple times, at BIRC 2010, I'll row what my training tells me I am capable of, whatever that might be.

No, what you said was you would do 6:16 at 14 SPI ... then it was 6:20 at 13 SPI ... now you have no clue (I think 6:5x at 10 SPI) ...

You are such a naysayer! Lest we forget, naysayers are vermin ... and what is your opinion on vermin???

JimR

[BradL]

I just do not understand the anger in this thread. Either Ranger can do what he says (which appears doubtful) or he cannot. If he can't, it will be evident soon. In the meantime, I would like to congratulate him on making this website far more interesting than the British Concept 2 site. They just do not have anything to compare to him. I mean just look at the number of posts in this thread. I am just a newby, but I really cannot see the reason for such vitriol. Take this thread for what it is: a world class troll job and a source of amusement.

[ranger]

I just do not understand the anger in this thread. Either Ranger can do what he says (which appears doubtful) or he cannot. If he can't, it will be evident soon. In the meantime, I would like to congratulate him on making this website far more interesting than the British Concept 2 site. They just do not have anything to compare to him. I mean just look at the number of posts in this thread. I am just a newby, but I really cannot see the reason for such vitriol. Take this thread for what it is: a world class troll job and a source of amusement.

There are only a handful of ergers, 40-70, with WR rows, and very, very few with three WR rows, as I have.

There are only a handful of ergers, 40-70, who have the best 2K in their age and weight divisions right now, as I have had for the last two years, and as I also had, on and off, over the several years before that.

If I can get some 2K predictor workouts done over the next three days, I'll soon know whether I have a good chance of another WR row on Sunday.

I hope so!

Then, in a couple of months, I turn 60, and will have a half dozen or so opportunities for further WR rows.

Other than me, in recent times, no male, 40-70, has ever broken a WR beyond the year when they enter an age category (40, 50, 55, 60, 65, 70) and no male with a WR row has ever gotten any better after that.

If I can rate a steady 31 spm for 1700m and then kick it into the finish, I might break both of these trends on Sunday.

I am not really very sharp yet. I have a lot left to do there. But I am rowing _very_ well, and am in _great_ shape.

ranger

[lancs]

As I mentioned, it is pretty much comparable to the best that has ever been done by a lighweight who has just turned 40, such as Mike Caviston in 2002

Can I just point out Prof that you've done nothing at all comparable to the best that has ever been done by a lwt who has just turned 40. Your old WRs, whilst impressive no doubt, have been beaten several times and you have been unable to get within 3 seconds of Roy's WR despite the amount of training you claim to have done over the last 4 years.

So when will you let us know the result of your first BIRC predictive session?

[KevJGK]

I am just a newby........

You don't say.

[ranger]

As I mentioned, it is pretty much comparable to the best that has ever been done by a lighweight who has just turned 40, such as Mike Caviston in 2002

Can I just point out Prof that you've done nothing at all comparable to the best that has ever been done by a lwt who has just turned 40. Your old WRs, whilst impressive no doubt, have been beaten several times and you have been unable to get within 3 seconds of Roy's WR despite the amount of training you claim to have done over the last 4 years.

So when will you let us know the result of your first BIRC predictive session?

Your response to what I have been doing is interesting to listen to, I suppose, but you talk as though you know nothing about sports, or within sports, about training.

In this sport, you don't just go out and perform better if you are an aging athlete who has already set multiple WRs.

You don't have any additional physical assets to develop.

If you are a senior or veteran, you don't get better at rowing by just pulling the handle harder.

If you are an aging athlete, to get better, you need to change something else.

To get better, old quarterbacks learn to read defenses and feel the pressure of pass rushes.

To get better, old tennis plays learn spins, lobs, and drop shots.

To get better, old pitchers improve their control and develop third, fourth, and fifth pitches.

I have learned to row well (13 SPI) at low drag (120 df.).

Compared to how I rowed in 2002-2003, just rowing normally, my stroke is now 30% stronger and my drive time 40% shorter (and therefore, at the same rate, my recovery time is _waaaay_ longer and therefore my ratios waaaaay_ higher).

That is, I have made _enormous_ gains in technical effectiveness and efficiency.

Just stroking normally, I am now _eight_ seconds per 500m faster at the same rate than I was when I pulled three straight WR 50s lwt 2Ks, even though I am now eight years older.

Technically, I have improved a second per 500m per year for eight years.

Just rowing naturally, I now pull 1:42 @ 26 spm (12.7 SPI), not 1:50 @ 26 spm (10.2 SPI).

I pull 1:34 @ 32 spm (13 SPI) not 1:34 @ 42 spm (10 SPI).

This will have consequences!

ranger

[jliddil]

Technically, I have improved a second per 500m per year for eight years.

Just rowing naturally, I now pull 1:42 @ 26 spm, not 1:50 @ 26 spm.

This will have consequences!

ranger

In your dreams it might but not in reality.

[aharmer]

This is dangerously close to happy hour so I might be subjecting myself to more rage and abuse, but oh well, I only have a week left anyway.

So you have to do a few 8x500's, a 500m trial, a 1k trial, a 2k trial, a 5k trial, a 6k trial, 20x1' and a few others you promised would be done prior to BIRC. Not to mention a few other distance trials that have never been done, and were promised well before BIRC. You have about 3 days to complete them all...could you map out a schedule of events over the next few days?

You'd better get some fresh batteries in that camera as you'll be posting a ton of screenshots the next few days.

Does anybody know if BIRC has live webcasts of the events?

[lancs]

That is, I have made _enormous_ gains in technical effectiveness and efficiency.

Yet you are unable to beat (or get anywhere near) the WR you set when you first started rowing.

After BIRC, when you row a mid-6:40's (if indeed you turn up) you'll see that we're right. Naysayer's are always right, particularly about Naydoers like you....

[bellboy]

If i am out of hospital on saturday then i will be in Brum on sunday. I'l be the one in the cheerleaders outfit next to the hot dog stand. Altogether now "give me a C, give me a U, give me a....."well im sure you get the rest.

I love word games ... I'm thinking this is a four-letter word ... first two letters are C and U ... I'm thinking this is the opposite of "Dick" Cureton ...

Am I close???

JimR

I couldn't possibly comment.

[mikvan52]

I just do not understand the anger in this thread. Either Ranger can do what he says (which appears doubtful) or he cannot. If he can't, it will be evident soon. In the meantime...

Hey Brad: nice post.
Now would you like me to answer you as a troll or a naysayer ?.... it can't be both. Herein lies the conundrum.
I believe in ranger's talent to erg the 4th best erg 2k as a 55-59 year old. But OTOH, ranger cannot do "what he says". If anyone entertains the least bit of hope for a r.30 1:35 coming our of an 59 yr old Ann Arbor carcass, that person either knows nothing about human exercise physiology or is also a troll.

How can I be so sure? I have been involved with rowing since 1969. I am also a lightweight 58 year-old.
I know PERSONALLY what it takes to erg 2ks under 6:50. I remain a student of the sport (from the science side, as opposed to the blather side).
I coach this sport. I have attended CRASH-Bs more often than not since 1998. I am a friend of Roy Brook's and am closely acquainted with the training of other 2k erg notables Dennis Hastings, Paul Siebach and other cohorts of R. Cureton.
IOW: I know what it takes...
None of the above believe he can do the things he says. These are guys who know... Why should anyone else?

You are very right that there is anger here but that is not the case for me.
This is entertainment as you say.

It is hard to say whether R.Cureton is an angry one. I believe he is angry with C2 and some his "venom" here is largely directed against them. Hence all the erased posts when engages in fantasy about the death of C2 employees. I do not think that is humorous.

In every sport there are liars. In every sport there a deluded ones. Is ranger either or both ?...
Fox erg News Reports
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You Decide

How many consecutive hole in ones can ranger shoot? Let's start a thread centered on that concept too... no pun intended.. Other topics: I wonder what Chuck Norris thinks about all this? Is Professional Wrestling Real?

[DUThomas]

There are only a handful of ergers, 40-70, with WR rows, and very, very few with three WR rows, as I have.

Of course, you currently have no WR rows. Your old WR rows were soundly beaten.

Technically, I have improved a second per 500m per year for eight years.

Given that your times are almost 2 seconds/500m/year slower than your WR rows, does that mean that, without the 1 second "technical" improvement, you would have withered to the tune of almost 3 seconds/500m/year. No wonder you need more stroking now!