Ranger's training thread

[JimR]

What am I missing?

The screen shots, obviously.

But that isn't under your control.

So why fret about it?

They'll appear at some point, sooner (I would think) rather than later.

ranger

Yes aharmer ... no screen shots for you ... so sayeth ranger!

Can I have an ahem!!!

JimR

[aharmer]

What am I missing?

The screen shots, obviously.

But that isn't under your control.

So why fret about it?

They'll appear at some point, sooner (I would think) rather than later.

ranger

Of course I'm not fretting about it, I simply enjoy asking you about it because then you must post 10 times to bury the request on an old page. The screenshots in question have been going to appear sooner than later for years now, I'm not stupid enough to believe they're going to show up now. Nobody here has a right to see your screenshots, and nobody here believes they will see them. It's as much a game for us as it is for you. You lie. We know you're lying. We respond, forcing you to tell more lies and try to talk your way out of the lies you've been caught in. We laugh at you. Repeat cycle hundreds of times. Like a gossip message board for men who erg. Guilty pleasure, nothing more nothing less. Unfortunately when you race fully sharpened in a couple weeks and still pull your standard 6:40-something, it will all end. Until now there has always been an excuse for you to continue the charade. Not any more.

[luckylindy]

Why did I pull 6:29.7 when I was 55, rowing at high drag, still struggling with technique, without even sharpening for it?

ranger

Most people improve for about 10 years in a sport they participate in (at any age)

Sure. I agree.

But oddly, nothing of the sort has happened in indoor rowing, especially among veteran rowers.

No prominent veteran rower has ever been faster at 55 than they were at 50, much less faster at 60 than they were at 50.

Rather, the norm has been a 17 second (!!) decline over the decade, 1.7 seconds a year.

Even crazy guys like Hendershott and Ripley declined rapidly in their 50s.

Ripley did 6:07 at 50 but only 6:21 at 55. Hendershott did 6:11 at 50 but only 6:24 at 60.

Tore Foss rowed 6:11 at 50, but now, as he approaches 60, he rows closer to 6:30.

Honestly, we won't have a good test of whether I have improved, and if so, how much, until I race again, fully prepared, rowing well, at low drag, even if I pb (by a large margin) at BIRC.

I probably won't be fully sharpened up until WIRC.

The issues with drag and technique are now behind me, though.

Happy about that.

My stroke feels great.

13 SPI at 120 df.

Smooth as butta.

ranger

P.S. BTW, my last race in 2003, fully sharpened, was 6:32.

So if you agree that that most rowers lose a second or more, per year, why are you going on about doing a 6:20 and beating Nav at BIRC? Based on the 17 seconds per decade that you quote, your time should be 6:40-6:45 based on your performance in 2003. That's a great time, but it's nowhere close to the 6:20 you've stated you'll hit at BIRC.

[jliddil]

What am I missing?

The screen shots, obviously.

But that isn't under your control.

So why fret about it?

They'll appear at some point, sooner (I would think) rather than later.

ranger

Yes aharmer ... no screen shots for you ... so sayeth ranger!

Can I have an ahem!!!

JimR

Or is that Amen, brother?

[mikvan52]

12.5 spi would be... (at 32 spm)

I now pull 13 SPI, not 12.5.

Ok >>>> You "pull 13 SPI, not 12.5"

If I now state "ranger you pull 13 spi (at 32 spm) for 2000m at 1:42pace" will you correct me here too?

In order to maintain your beloved 13 spi and you current best avg. split of 1:42 you will have to decrease your rate to...
(you fill in the blank) _____

I won't wait: It's an avg of 25-26 spm.... (No "little bumps at the end" either !)

BTW: remember.....each pound over the 165 lb max for lwt is worth 0.4x seconds in a 2k erg time (according to Concept 2) ....so, when a hypothetical ranger at 175 lbs pulls a 6:35 2k it's the same as another hypothetical ranger pulling a 6:39 at 165 lbs... This is why C2 instituted weight categories...

A reminder :
ranger has never posted a lwt 2k @ 25 spm (or less) @ 1:42 pace (or less)
AND he never will.

[jliddil]

[quote="luckylindy"][/quote]

You forget that he is The Special One. He is a genetically blessed person and normal effects of aging do not apply. Once you understand this (and that fact that we are all lazy and don't train right) then you can come around to the one true way of thinking. Hare Krishna

[mikvan52]

You forget that he is The Special One. He is a genetically blessed person and normal effects of aging do not apply. Once you understand this (and that fact that we are all lazy and don't train right) then you can come around to the one true way of thinking. Hare Krishna

Hairy Ramus
Right-on Mo'fo'

[lancs]

Lost touch a bit with this thread for the last week or so; anything new to report? Any solid evidence that TPO (The Pathological One) is any quicker than 6:45 for his 2k?

I'd be particularly interested in any novel lies he's come up with in the past couple of weeks, I'm sure there's been plenty..

[JimR]

Lost touch a bit with this thread for the last week or so; anything new to report? Any solid evidence that TPO (The Pathological One) is any quicker than 6:45 for his 2k?

I'd be particularly interested in any novel lies he's come up with in the past couple of weeks, I'm sure there's been plenty..

Well ... there is the "I only row at 13 SPI" storyline ... and the "better than NAv" subplot ... when you say "novel" I assume "I will post a ___ (fill-in the blank)" wouldn't count, even if it happened in the fall (or is it The Fall)?

JimR

[Citroen]

Lost touch a bit with this thread for the last week or so; anything new to report? Any solid evidence that TPO (The Pathological One) is any quicker than 6:45 for his 2k?

I'd be particularly interested in any novel lies he's come up with in the past couple of weeks, I'm sure there's been plenty..

We've had nothing exciting from TSPO (the special pathological one). But I must say that this gem demonstrates his incredible ability to state the bleeding obvious (in a monty pythonesque way).

Nav is five years younger, seven inches taller, and 100 pounds heavier than I am.

Although his assement of the difference between his own and Nav's weight may be a little off the mark.

[luckylindy]

Out of curiosity, I decided to calculate my SPI at "low drag" and low spm.

Results:

• 500m: 1:55
  spm: 12
  DF: 120
  Watts: 230
  SPI: 19.18

So, if I could maintain this SPI at 32spm for 2k ...

• spm: 32
  Watts: 612
  SPI: 19.13
  2k: 5:32

Rob Waddell, watch out, that record is mine! Who cares that I would almost need to triple my energy usage (to almost 600 Watts, wow), it's SPI that matters ... right?

[Carl Watts]

Ever wondered why Concept 2 has never put SPI on the Performance Monitors ?

They don't even incorporate Distance Per Stroke (DPS) and that is at least a meaningfull number with units in metres.

[ranger]

Out of curiosity, I decided to calculate my SPI at "low drag" and low spm.

Results:

• 500m: 1:55
  spm: 12
  DF: 120
  Watts: 230
  SPI: 19.18

So, if I could maintain this SPI at 32spm for 2k ...

• spm: 32
  Watts: 612
  SPI: 19.13
  2k: 5:32

Rob Waddell, watch out, that record is mine! Who cares that I would almost need to triple my energy usage (to almost 600 Watts, wow), it's SPI that matters ... right?

Yes, exactly.

Now you are learning how to train for rowing.

Take good strokes.

ranger

[ranger]

It's fun training to race again, given my radical change in technique.

Back in 2002-2003, anchor-hauling with my back and arms at max drag (200+ df.), just trailing my legs behind, my normal race (6:32) was 1:38 @ 37 spm (10 SPI), pulling in a 1-to-1 ratio (.8 seconds for the drive, .8 seconds for the recovery).

Now, rowing well at low drag (120 df.), making full use of all of my levers, precisely sequenced and timed, I do 1:34 @ 32 spm (13 SPI), pulling in 3-to-1 ratio (.47 seconds for the drive, 1.41 seconds for the recovery).

That is, for the same effort, I take five fewer strokes per minute but get four seconds per 500m more pace, 30% more power per stroke, and 80% more rest between strokes.

Nice!

I now row well.

ranger

[ranger]

I now row like this guy:


By null at 2010-09-21

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