Ranger's training thread

[NavigationHazard]

That 3:07 was ranked as a HW back on 11/26/2001, at 8:43 am.

[snowleopard]

ranger,

What were your scores on yesterday's [daily] 8 x 500m sharpening session?

[jliddil]

That 3:07 was ranked as a HW back on 11/26/2001, at 8:43 am.

Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 1000m | Men's | Heavyweight | Ages 50-59 | 2002 Season
http://www.concept2.com/sranking03/prof ... ndex=72598

[jliddil]

Actually, I got a 4.7 out of 5.0 on my evaluations in my upper level Williams, Cummmings, and Frost course last semester. And as everyone here likes to say, you're only as good as your last performance.

And your last recorded erging performance was?

Your last OTW racing result was?

[ranger]

Mike--

Don't you row well?

If you do, little 1Ks, rating 30 spm, should be a piece of cake.

They are not even 100 strokes.

Just strokng naturally, everyone with any ambition at all in this sport should be able to rate 30 spm for 5K, 500 strokes, not just 1K, 100 strokes.

That's what the best boats at the Head of the Charles (in the Veteras/60s division, Meyer, Anderson, etc.) do.

ranger

[ranger]

Mike--

Given that you are two years younger than they are, Anderson and Meyer, with their handicaps, beat you by a minute over 2K at the Head of the Charles this year.

How are you planning to overcome such a huge gap?

Six seconds per 500.

I suspect that you all row about the same (in terms of distance per stroke, etc.), but they rate 30 spm and you rate 26 spm.

The erg might help with this, because you don't rate 30 spm over 2K OTErg, either, and even so, you don't keep your technique together when you push the rate to 28 spm.

If you keep your technique together OTErg, over 5K, you can only rate 24 spm, or perhaps even 22 spm.

If you could train yourself to keep your technique together and rate 30 spm for 5K OTErg, I suspect that you'd beat Meyer and Anderson at the Head of the Charles OTW.

Otherwise, not.

Rowing well for a lightweight OTErg is 13 SPI.

So, 13 SPI @ 30 spm OTErg is 1:37/16:10 for 5K.

If you could train yourself to pull 16:10 for 5K OTErg, rather than 1:48/18:00, I am sure that would help your OTW ambitions quite a bit.

No?

That's what the erg is for--to help you improve your physical capacities.

To make such a huge improvement, you can't just use the erg to prepare to race, though, as you do now.

You would have to follow a training program that is aimed at overcoming your weaknesses (rather than just parading your strengths).

ranger

[hjs]

Someone "angstgegner" is making his comeback.................

[JimR]

... The erg might help with this, because you don't rate 30 spm over 2K OTErg ... Rowing well for a lightweight OTErg is 13 SPI ... So, 13 SPI @ 30 spm OTErg is 1:37/16:10 ...

But wait ... on the previous page you described your situation and showed all the fast 1K OTErg people and you weren't there. You can't do 13 SPI for 1 K at 30 spm so why would you think anyone else can?

Or are you just transferring your weeknesses on Mike and being a naysayer???

JimR

[mrfit]

Just a little correction to ranger's bait post for Mike today.

If someone's speed is 95% of another (6 seconds per 500m slower) and they row at the same distance per stroke then their stroke rate must be 95%. So if the faster rowers rate at 30 then the slower (but same DPS) rower will have a SR of 28.5

If the slower rower does row at 26spm (SR 87% of faster rowers) and is 95% as fast then their DPS is actually 9% higher. 1/.87*.95

Today's trainer ride: 20watts more lately at HR 160. Crankin' out 20mph. Week 9 of 42 build weeks before racing (May 17).

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[macroth]

A simpler correction is to remind Mr. Dishonesty himself, aka Rich Cureton, that Mike VB, Anderson and Meyer didn't row in the same conditions at the HOCR.

[Byron Drachman]

While you are still waiting for a video of Ranger's perfect OTW rowing, you might make do with seeing some of the world championships. I especially like the lightweight doubles (video on demand.) Purchase and Hunter look good. The Chinese ltw double won their heat. Bow seat has some minor flaws in his stroke but it didn't seem to matter. Of course all this will pale into insignificance when our intrepid hero does his 6:16 2K.

http://fisa.feedroom.com/

added later: There is an error at their website. They don't show the first womens ltw 2x semi-final. Maybe they will fix that.

[ranger]

You can't do 13 SPI for 1 K at 30 spm so why would you think anyone else can?

Sure I can.

The trick, though, is to do ten of them--or twenty.

That's the goal.

A 1K at 30 spm should just be an AT row, not a trial.

If you are at all ambitious in this sport, you should be able to row 5K @ 30 spm, like the best boats at the Head of the Charles.

ranger

[ranger]

A simpler correction is to remind Mr. Dishonesty himself, aka Rich Cureton, that Mike VB, Anderson and Meyer didn't row in the same conditions at the HOCR.

Sure they did.

I watched both races.

Conditions were as good as they get for both races.

Mike rowed a pb.

Minus handicaps, Macgowan rowed the course in record time for his age; no one has ever rowed that fast.

Conditions were great.

Nonetheless, Anderson and Meyer, given their ages, and therefore handicaps, beat Mike by a minute over 4800m.

Mike would have had to row 19:07 to beat them.

He rowed 20:07--and I suspect that is the best that he can do.

Anderson and Meyer also beat Dietz by almost a minute.

ranger

[JimR]

But that wasn't the point ... you showed us the fastest 1K times this year on the last page and you weren't listed ... meaning you are slower than them!

... A 1K at 30 spm should just be an AT row, not a trial ...

Exactly! Yet you can't do one according to the rankings you posted!

... If you are at all ambitious in this sport, you should be able to row 5K @ 30 spm ...

I agree! Do you think your motivation for BIRC will happen soon? Up until now you have been avoiding all the things you know should be doing ... and not getting the results you should be getting.

You don't plan on sitting in the stands at BIRC eating a hot dog and getting mustard on your tie do you???

JimR

[ranger]

If Mike holds his technique together, he rates 22 spm for 5K OTErg.

This has nothing to do with "conditions."

It has to do with physical capacity.

ranger