Ranger's training thread

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by NavigationHazard » November 2nd, 2010, 7:31 pm

Here's today's bit of sharpening. I figured that if Fraudger couldn't do an 8 x 500m interval set, I'd do a second one....

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That's 16 x 500m on 2' rest, seriously negative-splitted, at an average 1:35.5 pace. The last 8 were at an average 1:34.0 pace. And #16 was rather lumpy.

Just because I could, I added the 15 x 200m/2' rest that some of the UK Forum crowd are doing:

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That's 15 x 200m on 2' rest, seriously lumpy, at an average 1:21.8 pace. #15 was at 1:19.7 pace.

See you at BIRC, fraud. Remember: when you fail to make weight, you're in my race.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by H2O » November 2nd, 2010, 8:27 pm

ranger wrote:
I can now do 90min, 1:49 @ 22 spm, with a UT2 HR at 120 df.

ranger
You cannot do it at any heart rate.
If you could do that you could row 1:45 for 30 mins.
This would be a solid workout for your anaerobic threshold, useful to you even now.
So why not do it and post it?

Or give us 5K @1:43, something you should be (but are not) able to do.
This would be an even more useful workout for you at this stage as it hits VO2max solidly.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by aharmer » November 2nd, 2010, 8:37 pm

H2O wrote:
ranger wrote:
I can now do 90min, 1:49 @ 22 spm, with a UT2 HR at 120 df.

ranger
You cannot do it at any heart rate.
If you could do that you could row 1:45 for 30 mins.
This would be a solid workout for your anaerobic threshold, useful to you even now.
So why not do it and post it?

Or give us 5K @1:43, something you should be (but are not) able to do.
This would be an even more useful workout for you at this stage as it hits VO2max solidly.
Of course he can't and of course he wont. Don't worry, 3 weeks from now we will all know the truth and his long charade will be over. He is fully trained. He is fully sharpened. When he pulls his 6:45+ at BIRC he'll be exactly what we know him to be...a good 60 year old erger. Unfortunately that doesn't require 500 pages of thread so he'll disappear forever. This is his last shot at glory and he can't provide a single shred of evidence that he's anywhere near where he claims to be. Don't expect him to sit on an erg at BIRC.

Liar, you claim to do 90 mins at 149/22, HR120. Didn't you just say recently that erging at HR 120 is a complete waste of time and you'd rather dream of erging in your bed? Didn't you also recently say that erging at 22spm is a waste of time for somebody like you? You don't do these things, but you do them. Interesting. Why don't you show us something...ANYTHING...that you've actually done. Monitor is in working order. Seeing that this thread is truly your entire life, what happens when the house of cards falls after BIRC?

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » November 2nd, 2010, 9:04 pm

aharmer wrote: what happens when the house of cards falls after BIRC?
More pathetic assertions? :D
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by jliddil » November 2nd, 2010, 9:31 pm

Re: Ranger's training thread

Postby ranger » October 23rd, 2010, 7:59 am

ausrwr wrote:You are a former WR holder. That's damn special. You will in all likelihood be one once again when you turn 60, as long as you can weigh in as a lightweight and row 2k without stopping.



Nope.

I won't have to wait until I am 60.

I'll be a WR-holder again in a month.

I'm going to pul 6:20, 1:35 @ 33 spm (12.5 SPI) at BIRC 2010.

And you know what?

Given my age and weight, that 6:20, 1:35 @ 33 spm (12.5 SPI), will be the best row, bar none, in the history of the sport.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » November 3rd, 2010, 12:43 am

Navigation Hazard wrote:Oh, and you cannot come close to 90 minutes of unbroken rowing at 1:49 pace r22 "with a UT2 HR" at any drag factor possible in our universe. Fraud. I doubt you can do 1500m at 1:49 r22 with a genuine UT2 HR. Maybe you can row for 90 cumulative minutes with the occasional stroke at 1:49 r22, and lots of slower strokes that are de facto breaks, and keep your HR in the UT2 range.
Yes, this is indeed the problem for you; thus, all the anxiety you express here, and project onto me.

To row (pretty darn) well as a big heavyweight, you need to pull 15.5 SPI at 20 spm with a UT2 HR for 90min. Good luck with it. That's 1:44 pace.

No reason to project your anxiety onto me, though.

Just get to work, overcome your technical and mechanical weaknesses, and get good enough to get the job done.

As I have done.

Then, your social behavior here will be much more orderly, too.

There will be no reason to spend hour time nay-saying about what others are doing.

You can be yea-saying about your own accomplishments.

As I am.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » November 3rd, 2010, 12:48 am

NavigationHazard wrote:Here's today's bit of sharpening. I figured that if Fraudger couldn't do an 8 x 500m interval set, I'd do a second one....

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That's 16 x 500m on 2' rest, seriously negative-splitted, at an average 1:35.5 pace. The last 8 were at an average 1:34.0 pace. And #16 was rather lumpy.

Just because I could, I added the 15 x 200m/2' rest that some of the UK Forum crowd are doing:

Image
Image

That's 15 x 200m on 2' rest, seriously lumpy, at an average 1:21.8 pace. #15 was at 1:19.7 pace.

See you at BIRC, fraud. Remember: when you fail to make weight, you're in my race.
This is admirable, and handles one side of the 2K--its power requirements. But the 2K is not a sprint. To predict a 2K, you need to match these sprints with a comparable 10K, one that also predicts in and around a 1:35/6:20 2K. 10K is done at 2K + 8, so that is 1:43 for 10K.

Can you do it?

If not, you are just avoiding your weaknesses; and in doing so will pay the price.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » November 3rd, 2010, 12:59 am

snowleopard wrote:
ranger wrote:You get better by overcoming your weaknesses.
Y' know you're right. Let's all follow the Ranger Plan. Seven years, no PBs :?
For the last couple of years, I have had the best 2K in my age and weight division (right around WR 2K pace for my age and weight), by an increasing margin, pulling at max drag, still struggling with technique, and therefore without even sharpening for my races, just by training through the racing season, as I do at other times of the year, continuing to work on my technical effectiveness and efficiency, just cross-training hard so that I make weight and keep my fitness high.

I have now overcome my technical problems, so I am again preparing to race.

I get about a dozen seconds over 2K from a couple of months of hard sharpening.

And I am now rowing (pretty darn) well (12.5 SPI) at low drag (120 df.), which makes me quite a bit more effective and efficient technically/mechanically.

It will interesting to see how these two changes this year bear upon my 2K time, and time over other distances, for that matter, if I can pull WR 2K pace without them.

I think the answer will be 20-25 seconds over 2K--4-5 seconds per 500m.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Carl Watts » November 3rd, 2010, 1:06 am

Oh dear putting other peoples exceptional (actual) results down again I see.

Seeing as your LP is 1:34 going by the only screenshot you have provided recently you cannot even get close to these results.

You had better make LWT or you may as well sit in the stands because you have NO CHANCE with performances like this.

Nav will have finished his drink and be up and walking arround and you will still be rowing your 2K if you have to row with him. :lol:
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by BrianStaff » November 3rd, 2010, 1:31 am

aharmer wrote: Don't worry, 3 weeks from now we will all know the truth and his long charade will be over. He is fully trained. He is fully sharpened. When he pulls his 6:45+ at BIRC he'll be exactly what we know him to be...a good 60 year old erger. Unfortunately that doesn't require 500 pages of thread so he'll disappear forever. This is his last shot at glory and he can't provide a single shred of evidence that he's anywhere near where he claims to be. Don't expect him to sit on an erg at BIRC.
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Seeing that this thread is truly your entire life, what happens when the house of cards falls after BIRC?
I too, think he will not show up at BIRC...too many eyes on him, plus the fact that someone may get of a copy of his stroke data. He won't dare risk being scrutinized.

Whatever happens though, he certainly will not go away. His new quest will then be "the best 60 yr old erger that ever lived".

The same old stuff will be regurgitated ad nauseam.... for the next 10 years. Mark my word!
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by luckylindy » November 3rd, 2010, 1:51 am

aharmer wrote:He is fully sharpened. When he pulls his 6:45+ at BIRC he'll be exactly what we know him to be...a good 60 year old erger. Unfortunately that doesn't require 500 pages of thread so he'll disappear forever. This is his last shot at glory and he can't provide a single shred of evidence that he's anywhere near where he claims to be. Don't expect him to sit on an erg at BIRC.

Liar, you claim to do 90 mins at 149/22, HR120. Didn't you just say recently that erging at HR 120 is a complete waste of time and you'd rather dream of erging in your bed? Didn't you also recently say that erging at 22spm is a waste of time for somebody like you? You don't do these things, but you do them. Interesting. Why don't you show us something...ANYTHING...that you've actually done. Monitor is in working order. Seeing that this thread is truly your entire life, what happens when the house of cards falls after BIRC?
What's really sad is that if he pulls a 6:45 at BIRC he won't be congratulated for his accomplishment, but lampooned for his antics (and a 6:45 for someone who is 59.9 is an awesome achievement ... even more so if he really can make LWT). I'm almost 35 and cannot wait for the day that I'll pull 6:45, if I could do so at 59.9 I'd be ecstatic.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » November 3rd, 2010, 2:14 am

In a 5k, the ideal, both OTW and OTErg, I think, is to rate 30 spm, like most of the best rowers at the Head of the Charles, no matter what their age, weight, or gender.

OTErg, rowing well for a lightweight is 13 SPI.

Therefore, if they want to develop the technical skill/efficiency, power/effectiveness, aerobic capacity, and endurance necessary for their best 2K, absolutely the best combination of rate and pace for elite lightweights to practice as much as possible, I think, is 1:37 @ 30 spm (13 SPI).

So, I expect that is what I will spend most of my time doing over the next four months.

5K, 1:37 @ 30 spm (13 SPI) is 16:10 and predicts a 6:08 2K.

1:37/6:28 is my lightweight 2K pb.

120 df.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » November 3rd, 2010, 2:24 am

luckylindy wrote: if I could do [6:45] at 59.9 I'd be ecstatic
Sure, but not if you rowed 6:29.7 four years ago, pulling at max drag, still struggling with technique, and without even preparing for it; and have rowed about 30 million meters since that time, concentrating on learning to row well at low drag (both OTW and OTErg) and then sharpening for six months to be maximally prepared to race.

The average decline with age among the best rowers is about a second per year over 2K after 20 years old.

Everyone prepares to race in pretty much the same way, getting about a dozen seconds over 2K from a couple of months of hard anaerobic sharpening.

Rowing is significantly technical.

The best rowers are not only fit; they row well; that is, they are maximally effective and efficient in their timing and leverage, and therefore their transfer of propulsive power from body to boat.

I now row well (13 SPI) at low drag (120 df.) for a lightweight male of any age.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » November 3rd, 2010, 2:41 am

The best pace and rate combination for an elite lightweight male to practice is 1:37 @ 30 spm (13 SPI).

The comparable pace and rate combination for an elite heavyweight is 1:30 @ 30 spm (16 SPI).

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » November 3rd, 2010, 3:19 am

As a warm up for BIRC 2010, I think my goal over the next three weeks should be an at-home 2K, 1:37 @ 30 spm (13 SPI).

Then, after BIRC 2010, leading up toe WIRC 2011, I can work on stretching that out to 5K.

This at-home 2K, 1:37 @ 30 spm (13 SPI), is the equivalent of Jon Bone doing an at-home 2K over the next three weeks, 1:30 @ 30 spm (16 SPI).

2K, 1:37 @ 30 spm (13 SPI), is 22 seconds better than the 55s lwt hammer row at WIRC 2010, 36 seconds better than the 60s lwt hammer row at WIRC 2010.

I am now 59.8 years old.

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