Ranger's training thread

[luckylindy]

If it's so hard for me to row a 7:00 2k how is it that I can do two of them with an 8' rest in between..?
Yet another case of a workout you cannot replicate...

I am now pulling 1:44 @ 24 spm (13 SPI) in my distance rowing, in order to warm up for my faster work.

My goal is 60min, 1:44 @ 24 spm (13 SPI).

So why not show a photo of your monitor from one of these sessions? Show a photo from a 30 minute session at 1:44/500. That would put you at 8671 meters for 30 minutes, or in the top 3 performances for 30 minutes this year in your age group (easily the top performance for a LWT, assuming you really are in that range).

The #s you speak about are respectable, but without showing some proof it's just talk. Would you rather people think of you as some blowhard who they want to avoid, or as a respectable athlete who is just a little quirky? You consistently choose to put yourself in the first category, although your past performances should put you in the second.

As I have said before, maybe you just enjoy trolling ... in which case I'm glad you have your own bridge to terrorize (i.e. this thread).

[Byron Drachman]

Do you think he exaggerates the volume of his sculling workouts?

Hi Mike,

Who? Ranger? Why would you ever think such a thing?

BTW, I ordered one of those microcameras. It looks like fun. I should have gotten one earlier. I could have filmed our challenging Head of the Grand course with that difficult gradual bend, which requires the rower to keep portside pressure until all the way through the turn. I realize that is a difficult concept, but maybe the video would have helped. I am sure he would have been delighted to watch and study such a video since rowing the course only once was not sufficient to master the course. You know how graciously he takes advice.

[mikvan52]

AT pace for me is 1:38

Please share with us how long you maintain this AT pace w/o a break.

The goal is

So you meant to say "My goal for AT pace is 1:38" not "AT pace for me is 1:38"... now I understand.. you mis-spoke...

You should be more careful with such sloppy speech.
No need to apologize...

What is your AT pace right now. ... say for 5k... or , do you not complete 5ks w/o a break at AT even though you have said:
" My distance training is now complete "

[rjw]

The goal is 5K, 1:38 @ 29 spm (13 SPI).

Rich,

You talk about these goals as if they are possible when, if truth be told, you have no shred of evidence to suggest that you are physically capable of achieving your goals. Then you wonder why people play the BS card.

You have countlessly said that you would have a go at these yet have not.

As Lance would say, "Prof, you aren't capable of doing this pace for 2K let alone 5K". (Apologies to Lance if he wouldn't say that.

I find that stating a goal that is WAY beyond your physical limits to be misleading if not humorous.

Pass the mustard, BIRC is coming.

[ranger]

What's your best 5k on the erg.. Mine is under 17:50 and is in the 17:50's ...You claim to have 16:30 capability

I have done 17:10 for 5K, but that was at max drag, rowing like shit.

I am quite a bit better than that now.

I now row well (13 SPI) at low drag (120 df.).

If you rowed well (13 SPI), you'd also be capable of 16:30 for 5K, once your were trained up for it, because you'd only have to rate what you do now, 29 spm.

You'll have trouble pulling 16:30 @ 9.5 SPI, though, because to get it done, you'd have to rate close to 40 spm.

That's a bit much, if you are pulling for almost 20 minutes.

ranger

[whp4]

What's your best 5k on the erg.. Mine is under 17:50 and is in the 17:50's ...You claim to have 16:30 capability

I have done 17:10 for 5K, but that was at max drag, rowing like shit.

I am quite a bit better than that.

You keep saying that, but every year your best time is slower than the previous year. How exactly are you better?

[ranger]

What's your best 5k on the erg.. Mine is under 17:50 and is in the 17:50's ...You claim to have 16:30 capability

I have done 17:10 for 5K, but that was at max drag, rowing like shit.

I am quite a bit better than that.

You keep saying that, but every year your best time is slower than the previous year. How exactly are you better?

No, I have cited some ways that I am wildly better, and those ways are crucial.

I now row well (13 SPI) at low drag (120 SPI).

I get 130 kg.F of peak pressure.

I pull race rates in a 3-to-1 ratio.

Etc.

Once your fitness is maximal, as mine has been for almost a decade now, your times over various distances rowed are entirely dependent on these matters, not vice versa.

You don't get fast by racing your training.

You get fast by getting better at rowing.

And you _never_ get better at rowing by racing your training.

I have never raced, fully prepared, rowing well (13 SPI) at low drag (120 df.).

So I have no times to compare to my earlier rowing at 10 SPI and max drag.

In 2006, rowing pretty well at high drag, I pulled sub-6:30, without even preparing for it.

I also pulled things like 500r30 @ 1:39 and 1Kr24 @ 1:38.

I thought that was encouraging.

I am quite a bit better than that now.

I now row well at low drag, and I am now preparing to race.

I get about a dozen seconds over 2K from a couple of months of sharpening.

I don't know how much I will get from rowing well at low drag, but I would assume quite a bit.

My rowing is now much more effective and efficient.

ranger

[aharmer]

I am now pulling 1:44 @ 24 spm (13 SPI) in my distance rowing, in order to warm up for my faster work.

My goal is 60min, 1:44 @ 24 spm (13 SPI).

That's almost 9 x 2K @ 6:56, no rest.

From earlier today. YOU ARE A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR. Prove me wrong. Anyone with a goal of 60 minutes at 1:44/24 can sit down at any point and do 30 minutes. As you point out, this is only warmup work for you. How about a screenshot of 30 minutes with 3 minute recording intervals including HR as your warmup tomorrow? No excuse not to do it, this is your daily warmup anyway. Just knock out 4.5 6:56 2k's as your warmup and show the nice flat HR along the way.

A few short weeks and the house of cards comes crashing down. The only excuse that would allow this charade and this thread to continue would be you not sitting on the erg at BIRC. Any version of a start exposes you and it ends. Time to start thinking up disasters preventing your trip.

[ranger]

Prove me wrong.

Just my intention, but I am not at all sure why it has to happen in the wake of an accusation that I am a liar and therefore have to prove that I am not.

I am just training like everyone else.

Right now, in my distance rowing, I am training, 1:44 @ 24 spm (13 SPI).

To do 60min, 1:44 @ 24 spm, I'll have to force my HR up to 170 bpm and be relaxed enough while doing this to hold my HR there, steady state, for an hour.

When I am doing distance rowing, that's what I am working up to in my training.

But these things don't come instantly!

I haven't quite pushed my HR to 170 bpm in my distance rowing yet.

But I am getting there.

There is nothing to "prove" or not, though.

There is just training to do.

I start each morning at about 3 a.m.

And then I do it again the next day.

ranger

[luckylindy]

I also pulled things like 500r30 @ 1:39 and 1Kr24 @ 1:38.

I thought that was encouraging.

500r30 @ 1:39 is good, but how is that encouraging for a 6:20 2K?

[snowleopard]

But these things don't come instantly!

I haven't quite pushed my HR to 170 bpm in my distance rowing yet.

Oh get outa here you donut. You're sharpening. You ain't distance rowing. In two weeks you'll be tapering for a 6:20 at BIRC.

It's really easy to get your HR to 170. Well it is if you're 25. Your problem is you're nearly 60 and your max is around that. Just row a 30R20 and give it beans for the last 5 minutes. You'll see 170 unless you have to call 911.

And don't give us the old 'don't come instantly' bollocks, you've had seven freakin' years of preparation. Nearly two Olympiads

You are so full of shit you should be buried under a rose bush. It would bloom forever.

[Bob S.]

A few short weeks and the house of cards comes crashing down. The only excuse that would allow this charade and this thread to continue would be you not sitting on the erg at BIRC. Any version of a start exposes you and it ends.

No. It did not end when similar events have occurred and, whatever happens at the BIRC, it is unlikely to end this time.

Bob S.

[aharmer]

Prove me wrong.

Just my intention, but I am not at all sure why it has to happen in the wake of an accusation that I am a liar and therefore have to prove that I am not.

I am just training like everyone else.

Right now, in my distance rowing, I am training, 1:44 @ 24 spm (13 SPI).

To do 60min, 1:44 @ 24 spm, I'll have to force my HR up to 170 bpm and be relaxed enough while doing this to hold my HR there, steady state, for an hour.

When I am doing distance rowing, that's what I am working up to in my training.

But these things don't come instantly!

I haven't quite pushed my HR to 170 bpm in my distance rowing yet.

But I am getting there.

There is nothing to "prove" or not, though.

There is just training to do.

I start each morning at about 3 a.m.

And then I do it again the next day.

ranger

You can babble on and on about all the bullshit you want. You clearly stated that you do 1:44 distance erging as your warmup every day before the fast stuff starts. I guess that fast stuff doesn't raise your HR. You've told so many lies you're tangled up in your own web so tightly and have nowhere to go. Simply show us 30 minutes of your WARMUP pace that you do EVERY DAY with HR every 3 minutes. You can program that in 20 seconds. You show that simple piece that you do every day and everybody here will give you the respect you long for. Until then you're nothing more than a circus act for us to laugh at and get our cheap internet thrills from.

For you to act like you're being picked on when somebody asks you to show your claims is the most disgusting thing I've ever read on a message board.

[whp4]

I have done 17:10 for 5K, but that was at max drag, rowing like shit.

I am quite a bit better than that.

You keep saying that, but every year your best time is slower than the previous year. How exactly are you better?

No, I have cited some ways that I am wildly better, and those ways are crucial.

I now row well (13 SPI) at low drag (120 SPI).

I get 130 kg.F of peak pressure.

I pull race rates in a 3-to-1 ratio.

Etc.

Once your fitness is maximal, as mine has been for almost a decade now, your times over various distances rowed are entirely dependent on these matters, not vice versa.

You don't get fast by racing your training.

You get fast by getting better at rowing.

And you _never_ get better at rowing by racing your training.

I have never raced, fully prepared, rowing well (13 SPI) at low drag (120 df.).

So I have no times to compare to my earlier rowing at 10 SPI and max drag.

In 2006, rowing pretty well at high drag, I pulled sub-6:30, without even preparing for it.

I also pulled things like 500r30 @ 1:39 and 1Kr24 @ 1:38.

I thought that was encouraging.

I am quite a bit better than that now.

I now row well at low drag, and I am now preparing to race.

I get about a dozen seconds over 2K from a couple of months of sharpening.

I don't know how much I will get from rowing well at low drag, but I would assume quite a bit.

My rowing is now much more effective and efficient.

ranger

Blah, blah, blah. You are slower each year, despite this laundry list of alleged improvements. Again, how is this better? Your level of preparation has been constant (so too your fitness, you claim) so let's not hear about your lack of sharpening, distance trials, etc. Clearly, the engine doesn't work as well as it once did, and the body is rusting out

[peterhowd]

You show that simple piece that you do every day and everybody here will give you the respect you long for.

He's not looking for respect. He's looking for attention.

Here is my challenge to everyone (Mike included): no more responding to anything Ranger might post after 1-1-2011, assuming, of course, that he survives BIRC to post again. I am as addicted to this show as the next person, but there has to be a better way to contribute to the erg/rowing community than this.

Alternately everyone has to put a jar beside their computer. Toss in $0.25 per post you make in response to Ranger on any thread, charity of your choice. I'll start my jar now.