Ranger's training thread

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Bob S. » October 27th, 2010, 4:14 pm

snowleopard wrote:
ranger wrote:As a 55s lwt, if you can row a sub-6:30 2K @ 12 SPI without even preparing for it, you are making good progress with your training.
Don't be tiresome. You know very well you were a fatty for that row. Please don't pretend otherwise. It makes you look like a liar.
I am not one for posting videos, but I just had to dig up a version of an old song that keeps coming to mind every time I read this thread:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMVVAhzh ... re=related

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » October 27th, 2010, 4:20 pm

ausrwr wrote: Y
So for BIRC, I'll happily take any of these options:
i) you "miss" your plane
ii) you sleep in and miss your race
iii) you can't make weight and have to race as a heavy
iv) you can't make weight and decide not to race
v) you have to sweat for five hours to make weight
vi) you go and do your first 500 at 1:34 then blow up
vii) you go and do your first 500 at 1:39 then blow up
viii) most unlikely of all, you don't hit any of the performance standards you set (which is almost certain) but then go on to be gracious in defeat and to your fellow competitors.
Sure, some of these could happen. Indeed, I could miss my plane, row as a heavyweight, have to sweat some to make weight, and so forth.

Sometimes, shit happens.

But again, overall, your response here is carping, small-minded, unsympathetic, aggressive, and pretty much, unjustified.

For the last two years, I have the best 2K in the 55s lwts, not Roy Brook. I have two BIRC golds. Roy has never even medalled at BIRC. I have the BIRC championship record in the 55s lwts, not Roy Brook. I am in great shape and am ready to race. I have rowed a WR at BIRC, which won me the Millennium Cup. In all probability, I will have my second WR row at BIRC this year. I have six sub-6:30 rows in competition. Roy has never pulled better than 6:38.

My race preparation is coming along just fine. My weight is good. I feel great. All systems are go.

I am now rowing well (13 SPI) at low drag (120 df.).

This increases my mechanical and technical effectiveness and efficiency--enormously--given the same effort.

I will race in close to a 3-to-1 ratio at 31-33 spm.

:shock: :shock:

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by snowleopard » October 27th, 2010, 4:24 pm

Bob S. wrote:
snowleopard wrote:
ranger wrote:As a 55s lwt, if you can row a sub-6:30 2K @ 12 SPI without even preparing for it, you are making good progress with your training.
Don't be tiresome. You know very well you were a fatty for that row. Please don't pretend otherwise. It makes you look like a liar.
I am not one for posting videos, but I just had to dig up a version of an old song that keeps coming to mind every time I read this thread:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMVVAhzh ... re=related
Ha ha. Thanks Bob. Don't you just love the understated nature of that performance B)

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Nomugie » October 27th, 2010, 4:26 pm

Bob S. wrote:Since the whole point of this thread is to get attention why would you expect him to do something that would make it go away?

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...,or anyone else,... :roll:

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Bob S. » October 27th, 2010, 5:29 pm

Nomugie wrote:
Bob S. wrote:Since the whole point of this thread is to get attention why would you expect him to do something that would make it go away?

Bob S.
...,or anyone else,... :roll:
Touche'

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by bellboy » October 27th, 2010, 5:48 pm

ranger wrote:
ausrwr wrote: Y
So for BIRC, I'll happily take any of these options:
i) you "miss" your plane
ii) you sleep in and miss your race
iii) you can't make weight and have to race as a heavy
iv) you can't make weight and decide not to race
v) you have to sweat for five hours to make weight
vi) you go and do your first 500 at 1:34 then blow up
vii) you go and do your first 500 at 1:39 then blow up
viii) most unlikely of all, you don't hit any of the performance standards you set (which is almost certain) but then go on to be gracious in defeat and to your fellow competitors.
Sure, some of these could happen. Indeed, I could miss my plane, row as a heavyweight, have to sweat some to make weight, and so forth.

Sometimes, shit happens.

But again, overall, your response here is carping, small-minded, unsympathetic, aggressive, and pretty much, unjustified.

For the last two years, I have the best 2K in the 55s lwts, not Roy Brook. I have two BIRC golds. Roy has never even medalled at BIRC. I have the BIRC championship record in the 55s lwts, not Roy Brook. I am in great shape and am ready to race. I have rowed a WR at BIRC, which won me the Millennium Cup. In all probability, I will have my second WR row at BIRC this year. I have six sub-6:30 rows in competition. Roy has never pulled better than 6:38.

My race preparation is coming along just fine. My weight is good. I feel great. All systems are go.

I am now rowing well (13 SPI) at low drag (120 df.).

This increases my mechanical and technical effectiveness and efficiency--enormously--given the same effort.

I will race in close to a 3-to-1 ratio at 31-33 spm.

:shock: :shock:

ranger
Yet Roy still holds the world record. He doesn't even erg anymore but he still manages to get under your skin. Ouch!

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » October 27th, 2010, 5:57 pm

bellboy wrote:Yet Roy still holds the world record.
For another month or so.

Then, unless he can train himself to be better and batter, as I have, rather than worse and worse, never again.

So it goes.

Life is hard.

Then you die.

ranger

P.S. You would think that there would be some good training plans for rowing, but it doesn't seem so. As everyone in and around this forum knows well, following the standard training plans, after a _very_ short while, you just get worse and worse.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by lancs » October 27th, 2010, 5:58 pm

bellboy wrote:Yet Roy still holds the world record. He doesn't even erg anymore but he still manages to get under your skin. Ouch!
That must really irritate Ranger. Roy set such a soft WR and yet he hasn't managed to come within 3 seconds of it and will fall even further short of it at BIRC. If he turns up of course, which I'm increasingly sceptical that he will as his 'sharpening' routine continues to unravel...

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » October 27th, 2010, 6:04 pm

lancs wrote:
bellboy wrote:Yet Roy still holds the world record. He doesn't even erg anymore but he still manages to get under your skin. Ouch!
That must really irritate Ranger. Roy set such a soft WR and yet he hasn't managed to come within 3 seconds of it and will fall even further short of it at BIRC. If he turns up of course, which I'm increasingly sceptical that he will as his 'sharpening' routine continues to unravel...
Sharpening is coming along just fine. I am delighted with it.

Yes, Roy's record is soft.

If I don't break it at BRIC 2010, someone else will--soon.

The midpoint between the 50s and 60s lwt WRs is 6:33.5, not 6:38.

Roy's 55s lwt WR is 13 seconds from the 50s lwt WR but only 4 seconds from the 60s lwt WR.

That is wildly off-center.

If Roy got back to racing OTErg, he would have a hard time coming within two seconds per 500m of Brian Bailey's 60s lwt WR of 6:42.

Roy has one public lwt race under 6:40, done four years ago, and not at one of the major venues (WIRC, BIRC, EIRC).

All of his other rows have been slower than the 60s lwt WR.

It is not an accident that Roy is no longer interested in racing OTErg.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Citroen » October 27th, 2010, 6:16 pm

Bob S. wrote:
snowleopard wrote:
ranger wrote:As a 55s lwt, if you can row a sub-6:30 2K @ 12 SPI without even preparing for it, you are making good progress with your training.
Don't be tiresome. You know very well you were a fatty for that row. Please don't pretend otherwise. It makes you look like a liar.
I am not one for posting videos, but I just had to dig up a version of an old song that keeps coming to mind every time I read this thread:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMVVAhzh ... re=related

Bob S.
This one might be more suitable http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=br8Mo5Xflb4

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by lancs » October 27th, 2010, 6:28 pm

ranger wrote:Roy has one public lwt race under 6:40, done four years ago, and not at one of the major venues (WIRC, BIRC, EIRC)
No, but I was there when he whipped your sorry arse down into 4th place (I mean 4th!?! You didn't even get on the podium!!) in Amsterdam.
ranger wrote:It is not an accident that Roy is no longer interested in racing OTErg.
You're right about that. He acheived his goals: WR holder and World Champ. You on the other hand, didn't have the balls to turn there up any time you realised either he or Mike would show up. Now that is yellow.. :P

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » October 27th, 2010, 6:35 pm

lancs wrote:He acheived his goals: WR holder and World Champ. You on the other hand
...did exactly the same, long before Roy.

Now, I will be there again.

And after that, as far as I can tell, for the rest of my life.

Lancs, I just took out some time to learn to row.

The improvement that has resulted from this time out for education has been worth in the range of 30 seconds over 2K.

Of course, it has also given me a way of making a transition to rowing OTW.

Roy doesn't seem to be interested in rowing (more generally) much at all.

Go figure.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » October 27th, 2010, 6:37 pm

Folks.

You are not the accidents that happen to you, or a reflection of your worst moment(s).

Life is long.

There are lots of opportunities to prepare and deliver.

This might be relevant to the babble here:

Giraffe

If it is unpermissible, in fact fatal
to be personal and undesirable

to be literal--detrimental as well
if the eye is not innocent--does it mean that

one can live only on top leaves that are small
reachable only by a beast that is tall?--

of which the giraffe is the best example--
the unconversational animal.

When plagued by the psychological
a creature can be unbearable

that could have been irresistible;
or to be exact, exceptional

since less conversational
than some emotionally-tied-in-knots animal.

After all
consolations of the metaphysical
can be profound. In Homer, existence

is flawed; transcendence, conditional;
"the journey from sin to redemption, perpetual."

--Marianne Moore

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » October 27th, 2010, 7:02 pm

Naw.

When I row a lwt 6:20 at BIRC and a lwt 6:16 at WIRC, I won't care that a bunch of guys my size who were (much!) younger went (much!) slower.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by bellboy » October 27th, 2010, 7:06 pm

ranger wrote:Folks.

You are not the accidents that happen to you, or a reflection of your worst moment(s).

Life is long.

There are lots of opportunities to prepare and deliver.

This might be relevant to the babble here:

Giraffe

If it is unpermissible, in fact fatal
to be personal and undesirable

to be literal--detrimental as well
if the eye is not innocent--does it mean that

one can live only on top leaves that are small
reachable only by a beast that is tall?--

of which the giraffe is the best example--
the unconversational animal.

When plagued by the psychological
a creature can be unbearable

that could have been irresistible;
or to be exact, exceptional

since less conversational
than some emotionally-tied-in-knots animal.

After all
consolations of the metaphysical
can be profound. In Homer, existence

is flawed; transcendence, conditional;
"the journey from sin to redemption, perpetual."

--Marianne Moore

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Sorry sunshine. Poetry might give you the raging horn but pretencious shite is still pretencious shite.

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