Ranger's training thread

[lancs]

Baltimore, back in 2006, was proof that my natural stoking power was 12 SPI back then.

No, all that proved was that you could row 6:29 as a 55 year old heavyweight (vs Cashin's 6:18)

And anyway, as I've mentioned before, your reports of rowing the piece at 31 spm are unreliable mainly because of your long and illustrious history of lying through your back teeth. You tell so many lies you can't keep up with them yourself..

[luckylindy]

Here's this morning's fast bit - 8 x 500, seriously negative-splitted:



Look upon it, Ranger, and weep. Beating my time at BIRC by 20 seconds, as you've claimed (more than once) you're going to do, might take something under 6:00. In case you're wondering, my spi in the last rep was 14.6. At 38 spm. To put the 1:25.8 in perspective, the fastest stand-alone 500m piece ranked by a 55-59 MHW since 2001-02 has been 1:24.8. Last season's best was Steve Krum's 1:25.1. My 1:25.8 was on rep #8.

Holy cow! That's some serious rowing. NICE WORK!

[ranger]

You can't produce a single standard distance piece at a normal rating to corroborate this.

I'll pull 12.5 SPI for 2K at BIRC, just as I pulled 12 SPI at Baltimore in 2006. That will corroborate it.

My sharpening workouts from now until then will also be done at 12.5 SPI and will predict my rate at BIRC, given that stroking power.

I will follow that rate at BIRC.

There are no problems here at all.

I am not sure what other distance trials I will get done before BIRC, but 5K and 6K are good possibilities, and if I do these, I will also pull 12.5 SPI

I am now pulling _all_ of my meters at 12.5 SPI (or above).

If you can row well, there is no reason whatsoever to row badly.

Rowing badly is less effective and efficient.

ranger

[ranger]

Baltimore, back in 2006, was proof that my natural stoking power was 12 SPI back then.

No, all that proved was that you could row 6:29 as a 55 year old heavyweight (vs Cashin's 6:18)

And anyway, as I've mentioned before, your reports of rowing the piece at 31 spm are unreliable mainly because of your long and illustrious history of lying through your back teeth. You tell so many lies you can't keep up with them yourself..

Fat doesn't make you row faster.

My lwt pb is 6:28; my heavyweight pb, 6:27.5.

My 2K at Baltimore was witnessed.

I rated a steady 31 spm, finishing at 34 spm.

In my training, I hadn't rowed at any higher rates.

I did the Baltimore row without sharpening for it.

ranger

[ranger]

Here's this morning's fast bit - 8 x 500, seriously negative-splitted:



Look upon it, Ranger, and weep. Beating my time at BIRC by 20 seconds, as you've claimed (more than once) you're going to do, might take something under 6:00. In case you're wondering, my spi in the last rep was 14.6. At 38 spm. To put the 1:25.8 in perspective, the fastest stand-alone 500m piece ranked by a 55-59 MHW since 2001-02 has been 1:24.8. Last season's best was Steve Krum's 1:25.1. My 1:25.8 was on rep #8.

Holy cow! That's some serious rowing. NICE WORK!

But only predictive of a 2K if Nav can match these under-rows with comparable over-rows. The 500s predict sub-6:20. The comparable 5K would be 16:30/1:39. If Nav can do a 5K in 16:30/1:39, then, sure, the 500s are indeed "nice work." The 2K is not a sprint. The comparable 60min row would be 1:44/17.3K.

ranger

[ranger]

Beating my time at BIRC by 20 seconds,

No, I didn't claim I would outrow you by 20 seconds.

I claimed I would outrow you.

That claim still holds.

ranger

[NavigationHazard]

There's that old tense problem again. You have trouble recognizing that the present and the future are not the same thing.
True, you seem to think the past and the present are identical as far as your capabilities. Now that I think of it, elision is a common pattern in your approach to training. The most recent examples are your conflation of "race course" and "warmup lane," followed by your co-mingling of on-the-water, in-the-water, and under-the-water sculling....

And yes you did claim you would outrow me by 20 seconds. That was before you found out I was actually going to show up in Birmingham and throw it in your face.

[ranger]

And yes you did claim you would outrow me by 20 seconds.

No, I didn't.

Sure, you are capable of 6:30.

But if you are, how could I outrow you by 20 seconds?

The limit of my potential, as I have explained endlessly, is 6:16.

And my goal for BIRC is 6:20.

ranger

[bellboy]

Hi Prof.

I'm looking for some evidence that your 'natural stroking power' is 12.5spi.

I can't find any.

Not one single shred of evidence.

Can you provide any?

Anything at all?

Nope, not yet.

But BIRC will be the proof.

Baltimore, back in 2006, was proof that my natural stoking power was 12 SPI back then.

I am quite a bit better than that now.

I now row well (12.5 SPI) at low drag (120 df.).

ranger

No your not and no you dont

[ranger]

The best way to balance the endurance and power demands of a 2K in a 2K predictor is (10K + 500m)/2, which seems to be _very_ accurate.

For instance, if I rowed 1:41.5 pace for 10K, I could be as slow as 1:26.5 over 500m and still row a 1:34/6:16 2K.

Even if Nav can row 1:23 for 500m, he would still have to row 1:45 for 10K for the same prediction to hold.

ranger

[aharmer]

Nice job immediately burying my request to do a continuous 10k at 1:55/r18 and show HR data. You know, the 12.5 SPI that you do all your erging at? Just a warmup session for you. Could you do it? Easily. Could you do it with anywhere near the HR you claim? No way in hell. Too bad we'll never see.

[whp4]

The best way to balance the endurance and power demands of a 2K in a 2K predictor is (10K + 500m)/2, which seems to be _very_ accurate.

For instance, if I rowed 1:41.5 pace for 10K, I could be as slow as 1:26.5 over 500m and still row a 1:34/6:16 2K.

ranger

You barely manage the 1:41.5 pace for 2K in recent years, and now you think you can do it for 10K? Try it and find out! By the way Dropbox will let you post a 2 gigabyte video, which should be plenty even for a slow poke like you to cover 10K

[NavigationHazard]

The best way to balance the endurance and power demands of a 2K in a 2K predictor is (10K + 500m)/2, which seems to be _very_ accurate.

For instance, if I rowed 1:41.5 pace for 10K, I could be as slow as 1:26.5 over 500m and still row a 1:34/6:16 2K.

Even if Nav can row 1:23 for 500m, he would still have to row 1:45 for 10K for the same prediction to hold.

ranger

The best way to balance the endurance and power demands of a 2k predictor is to actually try one. Something you have a hard time doing, as it would expose your fraud to the world.

As for your claiming that you will outrow me at BIRC, the original version was indeed 20 seconds. You seem to have backtracked after the fact and reduced the alleged margin to something over 10 seconds, most recently in a post in this thread from 10/15:

(7) So! We'll see, I guess. But if I get pretty sharp for BIRC, I think I will outrow Nav by a substantial margin. Nav might have a hard time pulling 6:30. If I am pretty sharp, I will pull around 6:20. Even though I am five years younger, a half a foot shorter, and almost 100 lbs. lighter than Nav.

Better do some more redacting - in the above you seem to think you have just turned 50....

[luckylindy]

ranger - why not just post some pictures of one of your workouts like Nav did? You'd gain a lot of credibility by following up your talk with some pictures of something farther than a 500 or instant pull. I can understand that you may not have enough memory on your camera for a 10K, but certainly your camera has enough space for a 640x480 shot of your monitor after a hard workout, right?

If you need a good image hosting site, imgur.com can handle almost any size picture you send it (and is SUPER easy to use).

[NavigationHazard]

He'd gain some credibility even with a 500, like this one. Just because I'm that sort of guy, I thought I'd go back to the erg before dinner and rattle off the fastest-ever ranked 500m piece by a 55+ MHW. Yes I know that the record category is 50-59, and that the record is now John Grady's 1:18.3. I don't give a duck fart.