Ranger's training thread

General discussion on Training. How to get better on your erg, how to use your erg to get better at another sport, or anything else about improving your abilities.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by DUThomas » October 25th, 2010, 1:48 pm

ranger wrote:Yes, the use of a sweep stroke on the erg is a significant change.
blahblahblah
Over the last couple of days, for whatever complex of reasons, I have found that using a sweep stroke of this sort can give me as much as one SPI more power.
For example, instead of pulling 12.5 SPI, I find myself pulling 13.5 SPI.
Or whatever.
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You'll share video of this, right?
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Re: On sweep rowing

Post by nharrigan » October 25th, 2010, 1:50 pm

Bob S. wrote:
Byron Drachman wrote:I don't get to do much sweep rowing myself but I know enough to say it is also great fun if you are in a boat with good rowers and it is a torture session if you are in a boat with bad rowers. Here is an amusing saying I wrote down:
David Goldstrum during broadcast of World Cup at Poznan, 2008 wrote:Sculling is the superior sport. Rowing with one oar is for the clumsy ones.
Ouch!

Bob S.
Goldstrum must be a sculler. :lol: :evil:

Its just as bad to be in a double with a bad sculler. :mrgreen:
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by snowleopard » October 25th, 2010, 2:19 pm

ranger wrote:Most, if not all, of these things just accentuate what I have been doing, or at least trying to do, anyway, over the last seven years in order to improve my technique and increase my stroking power.

Over the last couple of days, for whatever complex of reasons, I have found that using a sweep stroke of this sort can give me as much as one SPI more power.
Total baloney. And you clearly have never rowed sweep in your life since your description is way off.

And besides, what does this have to do with sharpening for BIRC? You're like an author who makes coffee instead of writing :roll:

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » October 25th, 2010, 2:34 pm

All this ho-ha has me envisioning ranger in a 1- (rather than a 1x, 4+, or 2-) if you get my drift... How would he steer it?
:lol: :lol: :lol:
Maybe he'll saw one of the riggers off the Windbagger so he can test this BS... B) :mrgreen:

When is this thread going to start covering real training?

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Bob S. » October 25th, 2010, 2:37 pm

snowleopard wrote:
And besides, what does this have to do with sharpening for BIRC? You're like an author who makes coffee instead of writing :roll:
I'd say that he is more like a rower that spends his time sending pointless messages to this stupid thread instead of rowing - just like many of the rest of us.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Bob S. » October 25th, 2010, 2:38 pm

mikvan52 wrote: When is this thread going to start covering real training?
Was it ever supposed to?

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by snowleopard » October 25th, 2010, 2:42 pm

Bob S. wrote:
snowleopard wrote:
And besides, what does this have to do with sharpening for BIRC? You're like an author who makes coffee instead of writing :roll:
I'd say that he is more like a rower that spends his time sending pointless messages to this stupid thread instead of rowing - just like many of the rest of us.

Bob S.
Yeah, but that's bit too literal :mrgreen:

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Bob S. » October 25th, 2010, 3:04 pm

mikvan52 wrote:All this ho-ha has me envisioning ranger in a 1- (rather than a 1x, 4+, or 2-) if you get my drift... How would he steer it?
I have always been rather fond of 1- sculling myself (the stern-rigged kind that is). It is great for narrow channels and you can see where you are going - especially since it is done standing up. For a regular 1x, it is a handy way to sidle up to the dock - at least with macon blades. The asymmetry of hatchets would probably screw up the action.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sculling#S ... r_sculling

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Byron Drachman » October 25th, 2010, 3:37 pm

Bob S. wrote:
mikvan52 wrote:All this ho-ha has me envisioning ranger in a 1- (rather than a 1x, 4+, or 2-) if you get my drift... How would he steer it?
I have always been rather fond of 1- sculling myself (the stern-rigged kind that is). It is great for narrow channels and you can see where you are going - especially since it is done standing up. For a regular 1x, it is a handy way to sidle up to the dock - at least with macon blades. The asymmetry of hatchets would probably screw up the action.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sculling#S ... r_sculling

Bob S.
Hi Bob,
A guy in our rowing club has a sandolo that he made. It is a lovely boat. He stands up and sculls with a single oar. He usually takes a CD player and plays Italian music on his journeys up and down the river. OK, he is sort of an oddball. Fortunately, the rest of us are normal. Heh, heh.
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Re: On sweep rowing

Post by Bob S. » October 25th, 2010, 3:59 pm

nharrigan wrote:
Goldstrum must be a sculler. :lol: :evil:
In any case, it seems unlikely that he has any pair oar (2-) experience - the ultimate light shell rowing challenge.
nharrigan wrote:Its just as bad to be in a double with a bad sculler. :mrgreen:
How about being in a pair oar with you know who - the ultimate rower's nightmare. Well, at least it wouldn't last too long. The row would soon become a swim instead.

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Re: On sweep rowing

Post by Byron Drachman » October 25th, 2010, 4:18 pm

Bob S. wrote:
nharrigan wrote:
Goldstrum must be a sculler. :lol: :evil:
In any case, it seems unlikely that he has any pair oar (2-) experience - the ultimate light shell rowing challenge.
nharrigan wrote:Its just as bad to be in a double with a bad sculler. :mrgreen:
How about being in a pair oar with you know who - the ultimate rower's nightmare. Well, at least it wouldn't last too long. The row would soon become a swim instead.

Bob S.
Great minds...I had the same evil thought.

Have you ever seen a pair in a double? It's fun to do, but only when the water is warm:


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Re: On sweep rowing

Post by Bob S. » October 25th, 2010, 4:45 pm

Byron Drachman wrote:
Have you ever seen a pair in a double? It's fun to do, but only when the water is warm:

Wild! I think that I'll pass on that one. And also on the pair oar seat changing stunt. Even changing seats in a double would not appeal to me.

What I would like to try is the gooney rig that you showed awhile back. That's my term for a fixed seat and a moveable stretcher/rigger unit.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Citroen » October 25th, 2010, 5:29 pm

mikvan52 wrote:All this ho-ha has me envisioning ranger in a 1- (rather than a 1x, 4+, or 2-) if you get my drift... How would he steer it?
:lol: :lol: :lol:
He'll never row sweep, there's no one on the planet who'd ever match his 12.5 SPI to be able to row bow with him at stroke.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by NavigationHazard » October 25th, 2010, 5:50 pm



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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » October 25th, 2010, 6:58 pm

DUThomas wrote:
ranger wrote:Yes, the use of a sweep stroke on the erg is a significant change.
blahblahblah
Over the last couple of days, for whatever complex of reasons, I have found that using a sweep stroke of this sort can give me as much as one SPI more power.
For example, instead of pulling 12.5 SPI, I find myself pulling 13.5 SPI.
Or whatever.
ranger
You'll share video of this, right?
Sure.

I'll get some video tomorrow, if you would like.

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