Ranger's training thread

[snowleopard]

Stretch as much as you want, Nav.

But it is pretty striking, no?

Other than me, in recent times, no other male 2K WR-holder, 40-70, has ever gotten any better.

Who's stretching? Your only claim is that you knocked a couple of pips off a WR time in the same season of racing. That was just a learning process, nothing to do with getting better.

Have you bested your 2003 times? No. Did you regain your WR? No. Did you lower the WR when you moved up an age group? No. Have you held a WR in more than one age group? No.

So, in what sense are you getting better?

[mikvan52]

So, in what sense (is TSO) getting better?

His sense....
Get it yet...

BIRC 6:4x.x... here we go! It's fall and ranger's been sharpening...
Next on tap: Excuses... frozen feet, bad hotel, locked doors, the usual...

I predict Wenham gets the gold ranger seeks at BIRC... particularly if ranger goes out at 1:35 for the first 500m...

It will be Amsterdam 2006 all over again!

[NavigationHazard]

Stretching? No, I'm refuting yet another mendacious post from you. Go back and look at what I quoted, before you altered it after the fact. There aren't any qualifiers in your original sentence. You quite clearly wrote

In recent times, no other erger, 40-70, has ever had multiple WR rows.

That statement is incorrect. Period. I'm glad that you corrected it, post facto. Next time acknowledge the obvious retroactive editing before you suggest that someone's distorting your words.

[jliddil]

(very sad commentary if you have the patience to listen to the whole opus...)
Got-2-go pack for Boston...

Sad or very astute. Personally I could really relate to the whole thing and where they are coming from having started out when the you had to know unix or vms and had a vt100 terminal. SPAM was very much frowned upon and trolls were sent to alt.flame.wars or some such

[rjw]

....[yap, yap, yap]because I succeeded by doing something else (RWBs)[/yap]

You haven't succeded.

You haven't 'gotten better'.

You've got slower as everyone else does your age.

Thought of some good excuses for BIRC yet? It is a bit colder here this week so there may yet be opportunity for you to use a weather-related excuse for your DNS/DNF/7:04/6:44...

I was wondering the same thing. Why does Rich say he got better? He achieved his potential after a couple of years training and then has slipped thereafter.

[ranger]

For older folks, at least, a great exercise for rhythmicity, quickness, coordination, and core stability is to row on dry dock, sitting down, at 36 spm in a 3-to-1 ratio, right on the beat, across eight pulses in a 4-beat measure.

Put a metonome on 144 clicks a minute and follow this rhythm:

legs&-ARMS-//-arms-LEGS-legs-LEGS-legs-LEGS

-and--ONE-//--and-TWO-and-THREE-and-FOUR

---drive---//-----recovery-------------------

Start at the catch in a tuck with your thighs up against your chest.

On the first pulse, kick your legs out while driving your heels down, and then off the beat, swing your back and point your toes until your body is straight, albeit with both your legs and your upper body still off the floor, supported by your core muscles.

On the second pulse, pull with your arms.

On the third pulse, recover your arms.

On the remaining five pulses smoothly recover your legs and back until you are again in a tuck position.

I suppose the ideal would be to do this in batches of 200-250 reps, for most people, about the number of strokes in a 2K.

ranger

[snowleopard]

On the third pule, recover your arms.

Did they come off?

[ranger]

Your only claim is that you knocked a couple of pips off a WR time in the same season of racing.

No, after six months of strapless rowing, working on technique, I "knocked a couple of pips" off of my _own_ 2K WR in the _next_ indoor racing season, in two consecutive rows.

In recent history, no male has ever been able to knock off even a tenth of a pip from their own 2K WR, either in the same season, or in a subsequent season.

That is, in recent history, no male 2K WR-holder, 40-70, has ever had two WR rows in the same age and weight division, much less three.

I also pulled these WRs when I as 52.

In recent history, no male 2K WRs, 40-70, have been set beyond the year that the rower just enters an age category: 40, 50, 55, 60, or 65.

ranger

[NavigationHazard]

In recent history, no male has ever been able to knock off even a tenth of a pip from their own WR time, in the same season, or in a subsequent season.

Once again simply false. Why do you persist in repeating this exaggerated claim? The current poster boy is Henrik Stephensen, who has lowered his own LW WR in the 2k. Rob Waddell also has lowered his own record, rowing faster in his 30s than he did in his 20s. And if you extend things to standard distances apart from the 2k, there are dozens of counterexamples.

[snowleopard]

I also pulled these WRs when I as 52.

In recent history, no male 2K WRs, 40-70, have been set beyond the year that the rower just enters an age category: 40, 50, 55, 60, or 65.

So what? If you had discovered indoor rowing aged 50 you might have broken the WR by more or you might have been beaten. Doesn't matter a jot. Your record was subsequently lowered. Bad luck chap. Get over it move on.

[ranger]

In recent history, no male has ever been able to knock off even a tenth of a pip from their own WR time, in the same season, or in a subsequent season.

Once again simply false. Why do you persist in repeating this exaggerated claim? The current poster boy is Henrik Stephensen, who has lowered his own LW WR in the 2k. Rob Waddell also has lowered his own record, rowing faster in his 30s than he did in his 20s. And if you extend things to standard distances apart from the 2k, there are dozens of counterexamples.

My claim is about aging male rowers, 40-70, seniors and veterans, not male Open and Masters rowers, 20-39, still in the prime of life.

ranger

[ranger]

I also pulled these WRs when I as 52.

In recent history, no male 2K WRs, 40-70, have been set beyond the year that the rower just enters an age category: 40, 50, 55, 60, or 65.

So what? If you had discovered indoor rowing aged 50 you might have broken the WR by more or you might have been beaten. Doesn't matter a jot. Your record was subsequently lowered. Bad luck chap. Get over it move on.

Just the point.

I have moved on.

Others haven't.

Since I had the multiple WR rows well into my age category eight years ago, still, no other male WR-holder, 40-70, has gotten better over 2K.

But after working on technique and stroking power for eight years, including learning how to row OTW, I am now in a position to improve my 2K again.

As I approach 60, I am now in a position to row 12 seconds faster over 2K than I did eight years ago when I lowered the 50s lwt WR for a third time at 52.

And this time around, if I succeed, this 12 second improvement will not be just "a couple of pips."

It will be huge.

The time elapsed this time around is not just a couple of months, or a season, either.

It is huge, almost a decade.

As a result, if I succeed, I will put the 60s lwt WR below the 40s, 50s, and 55s lwt WRs, and beat the 55s and 60s hwt WRs, too, rowing as a lightweight.

ranger

[NavigationHazard]

No. The claim you posted (and I quoted) was and is about all rowers. You keep writing this, then backtracking when you realize you need to qualify it. Let me help:

'Although 20- to 39-year-old rowers of both sexes and weight classes have lowered their own 2k WRs since 2002-03; and at least three LW female rowers 30-70 have lowered their own 2k WR times, and/or have held multiple records in the past decade; and although Paul Hendershott and Jean-Paul Tardieu (at a minimum) among male rowers in their 50s lowered their own 2k WR times in the past decade; and although several older rowers of both sexes and weight classes have lowered their own 2k WR times in the past decade; among male LW rowers from Ann Arbor with last names beginning with Cu (NOT "Ca") I and I alone have lowered my own 2k WR by rowing rather slower than I should have in the first successful attempt and then chipping off the odd second or so in subsequent goes.'

[mikvan52]

no other male WR-holder, 40-70, has gotten better over 2K.

Here, RIch, you'll appreciate the troll-like thrust of my reply

I (mikvan52) am a male WR holder (currently) in the lwt 55-59 1hr row OTErg (16,134 meters (I think... give or take 5m))
When I was 50 my best time in the 2k was 6:47.x
When I was 55 my best time improved to 6:45.x

This proves your statement false.
I am a WR holder in a 5 year lwt age group
I have improved my 2k time...
Pretty abstruse, wouldn't you say?

So....(?)
Get a life. Both of us are slowing down...

If you want to dwell in the past... why not tell us stories you don't usually recount: Like Amsterdam 2006 (EIRC)...
It was one of the last times you were in an arena with some real competition...
What's your take on that event?

Don't like that story? I have a host of other ones you won't address:
eg. How about the one about the two people who lowered your WR from 2003? What is the 50-54 lwt WR these days? Would you put money on the line that you will beat it...???
Is hjs (Henry) listening?
Where is Reid Frawd these days now that there's the IND_V requirement for veracity?
What is your current open rate IND_V 500m time?

[mikvan52]

If you want to dwell in the past... why not tell us stories you don't usually recount: Like Amsterdam 2006 (EIRC)...
It was one of the last times you were in an arena with some real competition...
What's your take on that event?

Here: Let be jog your memory..

The splits of the top 4 finishers

Gold : Roy Brook......... 1:40.0 36 spm / 1:40.0 37 spm / 1:43.5 37 spm / 1:44.4 39 spm
Silver:Dennis Hastings... 1:43.1 35 spm / 1:42.9 34 spm / 1:42.9 34 spm / 1:40.6 36 spm
Bronze: David Hislop..... 1:41.8 36 spm / 1:41.7 36 spm / 1:42.3 36 spm / 1:44.0 43 spm
4th place: ranger......... 1:40.2 35 spm / 1:45.2 31 spm / 1:44.2 32 spm / 1:45.7 32 spm

care to calculate your spi for us Was it higher or lower than 12.5?