Ranger's training thread

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by snowleopard » October 19th, 2010, 6:28 am

ranger wrote:To pull 13 SPI at 120 df
What's the mathematical relationship between SPI and drag factor?

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » October 19th, 2010, 7:28 am

I have a startling prediction...
The number of views will begin to dwindle now on this thread.
THIS IS BECAUSE:
RWB, a crude form of interval training, is just not producing the results it's auteur has predicted for years and years and years.

Viewers here will lose interest because of the succession of stages we are in...

Stage One
ranger brags that he's as fast as anyone his age in the 1x and finally races to prove it
result
He falls out of his boat.
(assessment: he's nowhere near excellence as an OTW competitor and there's no sign that he'll reach such a level)

next:
Stage Two
ranger brags that he's gained 20% more power as he's aged from age 56 to age 59 and will race to prove it
result (will be)
a very fine erg performance at BIRC .. but at about the same power as he's done recently...
(assessment: great erger/big talker... nothing new)

this will be followed by:
Stage Three
ranger states that we just have to wait until..... (the cows come in)
result
his readers here lose patience and wander off into cyberspace for other oddities to ponder...
(assessment: some newbies will have to come along to be cowed and wowed)
the fly in the ointment for RIch is that he's getting older and old bulls aren't as interesting as young ones....

..just a prediction... ranger might change all this if he started training intelligently.... abandoning the RWB chimera.

RWB approaches an unsuspecting lightweight
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by lancs » October 19th, 2010, 7:44 am

Hi Prof. Are you able to produce one shred of credible evidence (please note the word credible) that your UT2 pace is 1:48?

I ask this as I don't believe it's anywhere near that pace, and that you are telling lies. If I see some evidence to the contrary, however, then my opinion may change. No lies please, just hard facts.

Thanks..

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by NavigationHazard » October 19th, 2010, 7:54 am

You may well ask me what is my theory. My theory, that belongs to me, is as follows. This is how is goes. Of course it's UT2 pace. UT2 pace is 1:48. He's rowing at 1:48. Therefore it's UT2 pace.

(signed) Mrs. Anne Elk (authoress of the "Brontosaurus Theory")...

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by snowleopard » October 19th, 2010, 8:05 am

mikvan52 wrote:old bulls aren't as interesting as young ones
This reminded me of a favorite joke:

A young bull and an old bull were standing on top of a hill overlooking a herd of cows.
The young bull says, “Why don’t we run down there and sh@g a couple of cows?”
The old bull replies, “Lets walk down and sh@g them all!!”

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » October 19th, 2010, 8:31 am

leadville wrote:Once again, rangerboy, you 'misstate'. you couldn't take full strokes, because you never have. Your OTW rowing style is pathetic and among your other flaws, you row short.
How do you know?

You were at the Head of the Grand and saw me row?

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » October 19th, 2010, 8:32 am

lancs wrote:Hi Prof. Are you able to produce one shred of credible evidence (please note the word credible) that your UT2 pace is 1:48?

I ask this as I don't believe it's anywhere near that pace, and that you are telling lies. If I see some evidence to the contrary, however, then my opinion may change. No lies please, just hard facts.

Thanks..
I am giving you the hard facts.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » October 19th, 2010, 8:35 am

macroth wrote:Are you getting closer to 90 minutes straight of UT2 rowing?
Yes.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » October 19th, 2010, 8:37 am

snowleopard wrote:
ranger wrote:To pull 13 SPI at 120 df
What's the mathematical relationship between SPI and drag factor?
Math won't help you row, but if you can do it, rowing at low drag will.

Rowing at low drag is _both_ more effective and more efficient.

Relative to your stroking power and effort expended rowing at high drag, you can generate a more powerful stroke and use less effort in doing so.

The difference in pace, given the same effort, is about five seconds per 500m, a whole training band.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by lancs » October 19th, 2010, 8:44 am

ranger wrote:I am giving you the hard facts.
Really?! I must've missed them.

Since you're dishing hard facts out, what's the longest continuous distance you have recently rowed 1:48 pace at without a break?

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by snowleopard » October 19th, 2010, 8:47 am

ranger wrote:Rowing at low drag is _both_ more effective and more efficient.
So why are you now rowing at around 140? (The lever is in the middle, remember :idea: )

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » October 19th, 2010, 8:48 am

BTW, Nav, how long is the Head of the Passaic course?

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » October 19th, 2010, 8:52 am

lancs wrote:
ranger wrote:I am giving you the hard facts.
what's the longest continuous distance you have recently rowed 1:48 pace at without a break?
The question should be: DOES ranger LISTEN to questions before he answers?

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » October 19th, 2010, 8:56 am

mikvan52 wrote:RWB, a crude form of interval training, is just not producing the results it's auteur has predicted for years and years and years.
We'll see this year, certainly, as I continue to sharpen over the next month (before BIRC 2010), then continue to sharpen for three more months (before WIRC 2011).

I'll be racing a lot--and doing 2K predictors.

I no longer do RWBs.

I haven't been doing RWBs for six months or so.

I no longer row at stroking powers way above my 2K stroking power (e.g., 14-16 SPI).

I just row in and around my 2K stroking power, as is recommended by the Interactive Plan and the Wolverine Plan.

When I race this year, I'll pull 12-13 SPI at 120 df.

I'll rate 34-36 spm, just like everyone else.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » October 19th, 2010, 8:58 am

snowleopard wrote:
ranger wrote:Rowing at low drag is _both_ more effective and more efficient.
So why are you now rowing at around 140? (The lever is in the middle, remember :idea: )
Yes, the lever is in the middle, but my machine is dirty, I guess.

The drag is 120 df.

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