Ranger's training thread

[jliddil]

I'm dyin' over here!!!

rangerboy - I'm going to send you the cleaning bill - I snorted a nice red Zin out my nose I was laughing so hard when I read Byron's kind but factual description of your amazingly predictable total incompetence.


rangerboy, I just can't believe you actually DNF'ed AGAIN! In your first race, one you said you were going to practice for umpteen times. CANNOT wait for the official results! In the meantime, please help us with details -

Have you been charged with reckless sculling?
How much damage to the eight?
Do you have collision on the Winderbag?
What's the deductible?
Any estimate on the repair costs for the Winderbag?
How was the water? Invigorating?
Who dragged you out, and did you thank them?
Have your waterwings with you?
How about the rubber ducky?
Is this part of the rangerplan, a incredible devious yet brilliant plan to lull us all into a false sense of your incompetence before you roar down the course at the Charles - if you ever get in? promise I won't tell...

Byron, please tell me there's video.

I think I cracked a rib laughing...
I've got an extra inflatable life vest - send me your address and I'll send it over - gratis.

Now I'm busting a gut. That made beer come out my nose and as George Carlin said a cheese sandwich as well and that's a miracle.

[leadville]

Oh, and sorry to neglect this, but congratulations to you, Byron, on your race. Toeing a quad is a very, very difficult task, one I studiously avoid whenever possible.

Good for you to take the toe, and all the mental and physical effort that requires!

(even if you only steer with blade pressure)

[Carl Watts]

It's all part of the plan, if he cannot beat you he will try and take you out down the cource.

That was just the practice run for the Head of the Charles.

Perhaps he should stick to the Erg, he is only slightly better on that.

[mikvan52]

Mike--

So, what are you shooting for at the Head of the Charles next week?

2:05 @ 26 spm?

If so, do you think that is realistic, or just a pipe dream?

I suppose we'll soon see.

ranger

Pipe Dream?... I expect to have recurrent nightmares so
I've decided to run for my life instead of exposing myself to danger on the Charles.

"OMG! Ranger, the flaming spud from space, has entered the atmosphere!!!"

[leadville]

Mike--

So, what are you shooting for at the Head of the Charles next week?

2:05 @ 26 spm?

If so, do you think that is realistic, or just a pipe dream?

I suppose we'll soon see.

ranger

Pipe Dream?... I expect to have recurrent nightmares so
I've decided to run for my life instead of exposing myself to danger on the Charles.

"OMG! Ranger, the flaming spud from space, has entered the atmosphere!!!"

BE AFRAID, BE VERY AFRAID

[Byron Drachman]

Oh, and sorry to neglect this, but congratulations to you, Byron, on your race. Toeing a quad is a very, very difficult task, one I studiously avoid whenever possible.

Good for you to take the toe, and all the mental and physical effort that requires!

(even if you only steer with blade pressure)

Hi Joe,

Thanks. It was a beautiful day and our quad had a lot of fun. Yes, I agree it is harder than steering a single. Now I'll be cheering for you, Mike, and Larry to have good rows at HOCR. I hope they have the usual webcast. It is inspirational to see so many fast rowers and scullers, always making it look easy.

Byron

[BradL]

I know I am just a newby on this board, and I probably should stay out of this. I started reading this thread hoping to learn something about rowing, I have stayed on because it is like watching an endlessly repeating car accident. I met a ton of guys like Ranger through my years in martial arts. They talked so much smack that they could not possibly back it up even if they were Mike Tyson like. Each over stated claim leads to the next, and the pressure mounts. Now even a fantastic performance will not be enough. I wish you well on your quest for 6:16 Ranger, but I have to admit you make it very difficult to cheer for you.

[leadville]

I know I am just a newby on this board, and I probably should stay out of this. I started reading this thread hoping to learn something about rowing, I have stayed on because it is like watching an endlessly repeating car accident. I met a ton of guys like Ranger through my years in martial arts. They talked so much smack that they could not possibly back it up even if they were Mike Tyson like. Each over stated claim leads to the next, and the pressure mounts. Now even a fantastic performance will not be enough. I wish you well on your quest for 6:16 Ranger, but I have to admit you make it very difficult to cheer for you.

BradL - welcome aboard! good to have you here, and don't hesitate to ask for advice. There's lots of us who've already made lots of mistakes and learned much from the experience, and we're only too happy to help others avoid our learning curve.

cheers!

[mrfit]

Anyway....

Here's today's ride on the real road. 3 hours at 203 watts average, but as you can see in the graph our geography is hilly and you can rarely get steady power. Unlike the trainer, I was actually rarely at 203 even though that was the average. There was 2700ft of climbing. I could not find my HR strap today so no HR data.

My first 6 week training cycle ends Tuesday. I'll gather stats, do some review, and begin to plan the second cycle (of 6).

http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/3960 ... roct17.png

[mikvan52]

I met a ton of guys like Ranger through my years in martial arts. They talked so much smack that they could not possibly back it up even if they were Mike Tyson like. Each over stated claim leads to the next, and the pressure mounts. Now even a fantastic performance will not be enough. I wish you well on your quest for 6:16 Ranger, but I have to admit you make it very difficult to cheer for you.

You better cheer him , Brad, or wear protective gear over your ears!

http://guitarsolos.com/videos-mike-tyso ... xzY%5D.cfm

Video of the race today reveals that ranger chewed the bowball off the 8 that he says prevented him from continuing down the course.

BTW: a 6:16 for a 59 year-old lwt is even theoretically impossible... That's why he make the claim: for our attention only...

Next stop: Birmingham = SIx = Forty = (something)

ranger is "riffmaster"

read the fine print "Yes you can even resurrect the dead and bring ‘em back from the crossroads with this amazing device."
It slices, it dices, it runs up and down a C2 slide like a red-hot trombone basted in Crisco!

[aharmer]

Wait until he pulls the equivalent of falling out of his boat in a few weeks at BIRC! Nobody will be safe from his venom.

[ranger]

If I stay right on the beat, it is pretty jerky pulling in a 1-to-1 ratio, with two pulses for the drive (legs&-ONE) and two pulses for the recovery (and-TWO), but the smoothness of the motion is improved enormously if I add another pulse to the recovery and do a 1.5-to-1 ratio: legs&-ONE-//and-TWO-and.

With a drive of .55 seconds and two pulses to the drive, pulses are .275 seconds, and so this added pulse makes the stroke cycle at 1.5-to-1, not 1.1 seconds, as in a 1-to-1 ratio, but 1.375 seconds.

What is this rate?

44 spm

I would suppose, then, that this is my best rate for a 500m trial.

The range of my stroking power is probably 12-14 SPI in a 500m.

Give or take a bit, one way or another, these stroking powers yield these paces at 44 spm, or a 1.5-to-1 ratio:

12 SPI 1:26 (550 watts0
12.5 SPI 1:25 (572 watts)
13 SPI 1:24 (594 watts)
13.5 SPI 1:23 (616 watts)
14 SPI 1:22 (640 watts)

ranger

[ranger]

Wait until he pulls the equivalent of falling out of his boat in a few weeks at BIRC! Nobody will be safe from his venom.

Yea, at BIRC, when my erg smashes into another erg warming up in the opposite direction on the erg course because I don't know how to steer yet, it is going to create quite a ruckus.

ranger

[ranger]

Wait until he pulls the equivalent of falling out of his boat in a few weeks at BIRC! Nobody will be safe from his venom.

No, in a single/1x, just "falling out of a boat" is a pretty different thing than hitting an eight going in the opposite direction.

Sure, I have done a lot of just "falling out" of my boat, too, over the years, learning to row, but I don't just "fall out" any longer--ever.

No crabs at all over the 2.5K or so that I raced on the Head of the Grand course yesterday, and no problems with balance.

Just pulling hard and going along.

In open water, in good conditions, as we had yesterday, I go 2:05 when I rate 26 spm.

If I rate 28 spm, I go about 2:00, and when I really get down to business with my OTW rowing next year, seeing how high I can rate for 5K, I think I will find I can rate at least 28 spm, perhaps higher (30 spm?).

Dietz won the veterans/60s race at the Head of the Charles last year at 2:06 pace (20:20).

No veteran in the history of the event has gone much faster than that.

I don't have any problem with the physical side of rowing OTW.

I don't find it any harder than erging, which I have done, oh, I don't know, for about 70 million meters now over the last decade.

I would have made it to the end of the course yesterday just fine, with plenty left in the tank to kick it in over the last 500m, even though I put in a pretty stiff 2.5 hours OTErg and OTBike before driving over to Lansing.

Happy with that.

My row at the Head of the Grand was my _third_ session for the day--as usual, at the moment, with my OTW rowing.

I like the combination: OTErg, then OTBike, then OTW.

The biking is a nice interlude between the two bouts of rowing, giving my rowing muscles a rest, while keeping my HR up to at least UT2 levels, when I ride pretty hard, UT1 levels, for another 1-2 hours.

I ride my bike at about 20 MPH, give or take.

ranger

[ranger]

Have you been charged with reckless sculling?

Nope, not that I know of.

How much damage to the eight?

None, I suspect.

Do you have collision on the Winderbag?

Nope.

What's the deductible?

No insurance, so no deductible.

Any estimate on the repair costs for the Winderbag?

No damage, really, a couple of scratches, so nothing to repair.

How was the water? Invigorating?

No, not cold at all. After racing 2.5K or so, it felt nice. It was a beautiful day.

Who dragged you out, and did you thank them?

No one. I just swam my boat to shore and went home.

Have your waterwings with you?

I was a competitive swimmer. I have no problem in the water.

How about the rubber ducky?

No rubber ducky. My boat was enough to play with this time. I took a swim in the Grand after rowing with Byron, too. I like to swim after rowing. That's my regular practice when I am up in Door County and the water is clean.

Is this part of the rangerplan, a incredible devious yet brilliant plan to lull us all into a false sense of your incompetence before you roar down the course at the Charles - if you ever get in? promise I won't tell...

Yes, getting some head racing experience before I enter the Head of the Charles is indeed the plan. I learned a lot yesterday.

ranger