Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

o why not accept genuinely well intentioned advice from Byron? How in the hell will you ever learn anything about steering unless you accept sound advice. It isn't a sign of weakness for christs sake. Its how human beings get better participating in a particulally difficult technical sport.

Byron can't steer a single, either, even going slow.

He _certainly_ can't steer a single going 2:05 @ 26 spm.

He doesn't even know what it feels like to be going along in a single, 2:05 @ 26 spm.

It is a question whether he knows how it feels going along in a single 2:35 @ 26 spm, or 3:00.

ranger

[bloomp]

So... You don't have any problems rowing fast. Yet you don't win races? Oh wait if you can't steer you can't win races so therefore you are SLOW. SLOW! Rich, your time for a race is calculated as the time it takes to get from the start to the finish. It is not the time it should take you to get from start to finish given a certain pace you think you can hold. You lost your race because you couldn't finish the race - therefore you are slow. Fast rowers win races, meaning they do everything better than the next guy. Including steering.

Lame.

[ranger]

Clearly he learned a lot in those seven years.

I have learned how to row well enough to race down a straight 5K course, stem to stern, 2:05 @ 26 spm.

Have you?

You are 20 years old; I am 60.



I could be your grandfather.

Time to get to work, Paul.

You have your own monkeys to deal with.

Steering will be easy for me to learn.

I just need to practice it, which I will start to do immediately.

ranger

[ranger]

So... You don't have any problems rowing fast. Yet you don't win races? Oh wait if you can't steer you can't win races so therefore you are SLOW. SLOW! Rich, your time for a race is calculated as the time it takes to get from the start to the finish. It is not the time it should take you to get from start to finish given a certain pace you think you can hold. You lost your race because you couldn't finish the race - therefore you are slow. Fast rowers win races, meaning they do everything better than the next guy. Including steering.

Lame.

This was the first time I had rowed hard OTW in any sort of sustained way for any sort of sustained time.

Given my work OTErg and elsewhere (OTBike), physically and technically, I had no problem with the rowing at all, although, lord knows, I can sure get a lot better at it.

I didn't crab, etc., although I certainly went through a range of emotions--nervousness, lightheadedness, anxiety, etc.

As I said, I will now learn to steer.

And then, it appears that I have about a dozen seconds per 500m that I can get by improving my technique.

Then what?

ranger

[bloomp]

Rich,

You can patronize me when you have raced OTW hundreds of times in a variety of boat classes. For now, you need to actually shut up and learn something. I hope there are a dozen photos of your clownish face as you veered off the course and into the path of an 8. You are very lucky the 8 did not injure you or your shell. You should not be allowed to race OTW until you can humble yourself enough to take the advice of your betters.

For what it's worth, I have rowed 20 miles (32km) steady in 2 hours, 24 minutes. That's an average pace of 2:15 at 24-26spm over a lot more than a dinky 5k in a single. Your 7 years OTW has produced nothing that indicates you are anywhere near that ability. Especially with a DNF over a course much shorter!

[bloomp]

I believe the distance you made down the course is not even close to one of your 'regular' outings in a single.

[ranger]

Rich,

You can patronize me when you have raced OTW hundreds of times in a variety of boat classes. For now, you need to actually shut up and learn something. I hope there are a dozen photos of your clownish face as you veered off the course and into the path of an 8. You are very lucky the 8 did not injure you or your shell. You should not be allowed to race OTW until you can humble yourself enough to take the advice of your betters.

For what it's worth, I have rowed 20 miles (32km) steady in 2 hours, 24 minutes. That's an average pace of 2:15 at 24-26spm over a lot more than a dinky 5k in a single. Your 7 years OTW has produced nothing that indicates you are anywhere near that ability. Especially with a DNF over a course much shorter!

No, Paul, I think _you_ need to put up or shut up.

I am doing _great_ in my OTW rowing.

So, what have you rowed for 5K in a single--at 20 years old?

Among rowers of the same calibre, 20-year-olds, on the average, row 15 seconds per 500m faster than 60-year-olds.

The best 20-year-old lightweights do about 1:48 pace for 5K OTW, the equivalent of 1:36 for 5K OTW.

At the moment, you do 1:45 for 2K OTErg, 1:50 for 5K?

Time to get to work, son.

Flappin' your mouth is easy.

Gettin' to work is not.

ranger

[bellboy]

So why not accept genuinely well intentioned advice from Byron?

Byron is in no position to give anyone advice about anything involved with rowing.

He can't row, so he doesn't need to know how to steer.

When he is doing whatever he does in his single, he is going so slow that steering is no problem.

Steering only becomes a problem when you are going along at a good clip.

I don't need any advice about steering.

I just need to practice it.

As I said, I have no problem looking over my shoulder when rowing hard.

I just need to practice both together, which I just haven't done to this point.

ranger

But it has taken you seven years and millions of metres(allegedly) to reach this point and it has ended in utter humiliation and yet you still fire back bullshit. Having a hide as thick as a rhino is a good thing but only if your a rhino. I know you feel safe back in the batcave but you are looking like an even bigger twat than usual.

[ranger]

I believe the distance you made down the course is not even close to one of your 'regular' outings in a single.

I row on a course that I know.

I don't need to look over my shoulder to steer.

And no one is there.

Now, I just need to practice steering--looking over my should every fourth or fifth stroke.

No problem at all to do.

I just haven't done it yet.

I have no problem at all changing my line when I am rowing hard.

I just haven't practiced doing it.

ranger

[snowleopard]

As I said, I have no problem looking over my shoulder when rowing hard.

Sure, the trick is though to do something about what you see

[whp4]

ranger, it comes as no surprise viewing this latest outburst that your parents presciently chose to name you "dick" — it fits! No doubt you thanked your rescuers in such gracious fashion that next time they'll just direct traffic around you and let you fend for yourself

[ranger]

As I said, I have no problem looking over my shoulder when rowing hard.

Sure, the trick is though to do something about what you see

Sure.

But it is even trickier than that.

You need to be able to take in quite a bit of information--and retain it long enough to do something about it--when you glance over your shoulder.

I will just need to practice this.

I have never done it--ever.

ranger

[ranger]

No doubt you thanked your rescuers

No one rescued me.

I just swam my boat to shore.

I was the first to speak.

I said, "My fault. Sorry."

The guys in the eight said, "No, not at all. We're sorry. You had the right of way."

I wasn't way out of bounds when I hit the eight (although I was indeed out of bounds a ways earlier).

The eight was pretty far out from shore, running the boundary of the division of the river between the boats racing and the boats going up to the start.

ranger

[bloomp]

Rich,

You can patronize me when you have raced OTW hundreds of times in a variety of boat classes. For now, you need to actually shut up and learn something. I hope there are a dozen photos of your clownish face as you veered off the course and into the path of an 8. You are very lucky the 8 did not injure you or your shell. You should not be allowed to race OTW until you can humble yourself enough to take the advice of your betters.

For what it's worth, I have rowed 20 miles (32km) steady in 2 hours, 24 minutes. That's an average pace of 2:15 at 24-26spm over a lot more than a dinky 5k in a single. Your 7 years OTW has produced nothing that indicates you are anywhere near that ability. Especially with a DNF over a course much shorter!

No, Paul, I think _you_ need to put up or shut up.

I am doing _great_ in my OTW rowing.

So, what have you rowed for 5K in a single--at 20 years old?

Among rowers of the same calibre, 20-year-olds, on the average, row 15 seconds per 500m faster than 60-year-olds.

The best 20-year-old lightweights do about 1:48 pace for 5K OTW, the equivalent of 1:36 for 5K OTW.

At the moment, you do 1:45 for 2K OTErg, 1:50 for 5K?

Time to get to work, son.

Flappin' your mouth is easy.

Gettin' to work is not.

ranger

No wonder why you think you are such a success - if 'great' OTW performances mean one DNF then you are doing quite well indeed! Just sticking with your usual habits.

I cannot fathom why you are bringing my erg scores into a discussion of OTW rowing? As your performance today shows, there is no correlation. Why does my 5k time OTW or OTE matter? You have evidence of neither; and for my races it doesn't matter the time, only if I won or not. I have beat guys in my 1x that pull a better 5k/2k OTE.

Until you have done what I have (rowed competitively OTW for now six years) you should be the one to shove it. How many courses have you raced at? How many coaches have you had? How many wins do you have OTW? Right: one, none and none. Oh while you're going about the whole shutting up business, stop insulting some genuinely nice people that have far more knowledge of the sport than you do. Those folks have been in the game much longer than you.

[Byron Drachman]

I wasn't way out of bounds when I hit the eight (although I was indeed out of bounds a ways earlier). The eight was pretty far out from shore, running the boundary of the division of the river between the boats racing and the boats going up to the start.

Like an automobile driver saying I wasn't way into the oncoming lane although I was indeed well in the oncoming lane earlier, and the car I hit was close to the centerline.

It was polite of the youngsters in the eight to join in the apology, assuming that really happened.