Ranger's training thread

[KevJGK]

Byron, you are a true gentleman.

ranger you a....[censored].............

[snowleopard]

Mr Bean goes sculling. Gotta love that

When I go 26spm I go round round round like a record round round .....

I hope the 8+ was undamaged but I hope WIndbagger was halved. (Some people round here are just too magnanimous.)

[KevJGK]

Some people round here are just too magnanimous.

I don't think we can say what we really think.

[Bob S.]

I hope the 8+ was undamaged but I hope WIndbagger was halved. (Some people round here are just too magnanimous.)

Give the guy a break. He did show up, quite contrary to what most everyone thought, and he did give it a try. I find it sad that he refused to take a lot of the good advice that was offered and did not properly prepare for the technical aspects of rowing in a congested venue. And, of course, he put himself under a lot of unnecessary stress by posting extravagant claims on this thread.

Bob S.

[snowleopard]

Give the guy a break.

No way. If the guy had shown an ounce of humility I would.

[bellboy]

He did show up and that is to be applauded. Im not proud of myself but i did snort out loud when i read Byron's report. The germans call it schadenfreude.i call it karma. Wonder if Earl and Randy were there?

[Citroen]

He did show up and that is to be applauded. Im not proud of myself but i did snort out loud when i read Byron's report. The germans call it schadenfreude.i call it karma. Wonder if Earl and Randy were there?

Not just you. I had to explain my laughter to my daughter.
It's one more DNF to add to his large collection of DNS and DNF events.

[jliddil]

Give the guy a break.

No way. If the guy had shown an ounce of humility I would.

I agree, no mercy. Karma is a bitch. Please oh please let there be some pictures or video. I say heap it on him. Call me shallow. I really don't care based on all the crap he has posted and insults he has thrown at people. I guess he only skimped "The art of sculling"

[Byron Drachman]

The race starts just after you go under the bridge at Waverly. The lower path is the path my quad took this morning. The upper part shows our path on the way to the start and the return to the dock after the finish near MLK. You might notice one short part as we were approaching Frances Park where we didn't take the best line possible. We prefer to row our quad blind (no cox), clamp the steering in place, and steer by bowseat (me) giving commands. I yelled starboard, which our group interprets as hard on starboard, and one of our rowers pulled hard on port instead. We had a chuckle over that after the race. (No, no, the other starboard--you know the joke.) The Ranger-eight collision was around Frances Park.

As I mentioned, after his visit I wrote some notes that I offered to send to Ranger but he declined. I was going to suggest a couple of landmarks to head for at that bend in order to take a good line along with a few other steering tips, a suggestion or two on tweaking his rigging specific to his unorthodox stroke, and a few other suggestions.

[bloomp]

Seriously, in a coxless boat the number 1 priority is your own safety. That usually entails not running into other shells, and during a race steering a proper course. Clearly he learned a lot in those seven years.

[ranger]

Clearly he learned a lot in those seven years.

Well, at 60, I have learned to power right up to 2:05 pace and hold it there.

If I could have steered the race, I would have done just fine.

No problem with the physical side of rowing at all.

In fact, when I can steer, it is clear that I will be able to rate 28 spm for 5K.

At 28 spm, I will be going in and around 2:00 pace, even rowing pretty poorly as I do.

I would say that's learning something.

True, I don't know anything about steering. I have never steered a course rowing stiffly at 26 spm, going 2:05 pace.

I train in a swamp, and even so, just at low rates, primarily, working on technique.

ranger

[ranger]

I hope everyone is ok and that no equipment was damaged.

Accidents like this dictate that I stick to wishing everyone well.
Rich:
Better luck next time. Don't let it discourage you. There are collisions under even the best conditions.

Yes, you are _very_ encouraging, Mike.



I have no problem with the physical side of the OTW rowing at all.

When I rate 26 spm, I go 2:05.

And I could have rowed the course, stem to stern, very easily.

Given my erg times, 2:05 @ 26 spm, is still rowing pretty badly OTW, too, about 23 seconds per 500m over my erg times.

So I am going to get a _lot_ better.

The limit for lightweights is a 12 seconds per 500m gap between erg times and OTW times.

Learning to steer head races will no problem.

I just need to rate 26-28 spm in practice and get into a rhythm of looking over my shoulder (and quickly gather information relevant to steering).

I have no problem looking over my shoulder while rowing hard.

I just don't do it very often, and never, really, when I am rowing hard at 26-28 spm.

I just row on lakes, and only one river, which I know well.

And when I am rowing, there is no one there.

So, by and large, I just power along in a straight line, with a couple of predictable turns.

So, yea.

It was difficult for me to manage the (pretty big) bend in the river on a course that I have never rowed hard on.

I couldn't row hard when I went up the river with Byron.

He can't row.

If I took complete strokes, to row beside Byron, I would have to rate 10 spm.

ranger

[bellboy]

Clearly he learned a lot in those seven years.

Well, at 60, I have learned to power right up to 2:05 pace and hold it there.

If I could have steered the race, I would have done just fine.

No problem with the physical side of rowing at all.

In fact, when I can steer, it is clear that I will be able to rate 28 spm for 5K.

At 28 spm, I will be going in and around 2:00 pace, even rowing pretty poorly as I do.

I would say that's learning something.

True, I don't know anything about steering. I have never steered a course rowing stiffly at 26 spm, going 2:05 pace.

I train in a swamp, and even so, just at low rates, primarily, working on technique.

ranger

So why not accept genuinely well intentioned advice from Byron? How in the hell will you ever learn anything about steering unless you accept sound advice. It isn't a sign of weakness for christs sake. Its how human beings get better participating in a particulally difficult technical sport.

[lancs]

I for one would've paid a fair bit if hard-earned to see the Prof take a swim...

Fair play for turning up though, that's an improvement..

[ranger]

So why not accept genuinely well intentioned advice from Byron?

Byron is in no position to give anyone advice about anything involved with rowing.

He can't row, so he doesn't need to know how to steer.

When he is doing whatever he does in his single, he is going so slow that steering is no problem.

Steering only becomes a problem when you are going along at a good clip.

I don't need any advice about steering.

I just need to practice it.

As I said, I have no problem looking over my shoulder when rowing hard.

I just need to practice both together, which I just haven't done to this point.

ranger