Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

How again is 5k at 1:47 pace "falling short"...

Depends on your goals.

I am younger that you, and I am going to do 1:39 for 5K.

The 50s lwt WR is 1:40.7.

So you are about 8 seconds per 500m off the pace.

That doesn't matter to you?

So be it.

To each his own.

ranger

[mikvan52]

There are plenty of 5k erg events that are public.

Nope.

ranger

Mid atlantic erg champs,
Baltimore Burn
Pete Marston's event.
European 5k in Dec/Jan

[ranger]

There are plenty of 5k erg events that are public.

Nope.

ranger

Mid atlantic erg champs,
Baltimore Burn
Pete Marston's event.
European 5k in Dec/Jan

These are all over 1000 miles away from me--and are just novelty events anyway.

ranger

[mikvan52]

The point is that ranger has frequently said he'd post a 5k (IND_V) and never has.

He loves being an internet troll.

here's the video should anyone care to see it again

Internet Bridge Troll
http://il.youtube.com/watch?v=FMEe7JqBgvg&feature=fvw

[ranger]

The point is that ranger has frequently said he'd post a 5k (IND_V) and never has.

He loves being an internet troll.

This internet troll has had the best 2K in your own age and weight division for the last two years, pulling right around WR

pace for his age and weight without even sharpening for the effort, just continuing to train at low rates.

This troll is happy with that.

ranger

[ranger]

(6) I will pull 12 SPI for 2K at 34-36 spm and low drag (118 df).

No you won't. You can't rate up and hold that SPI. If you try you'll be blowing smoke rings from your pooter at around 750m.

Fait accompli.

I have already done 12 SPI for 2K @ 31 spm, without even sharpening for the effort.

When I am fully sharpened for the effort, I'll have the anaerobic capacity to rate up to 34-36 spm.

The low drag will only help things this time around.

If you can do it, rowing at low drag is more effective and efficient.

More skill, more length, more quickness, better timing, better sequencing, better leverage, less work, more rest.

ranger

[hjs]

(6) I will pull 12 SPI for 2K at 34-36 spm and low drag (118 df).

No you won't. You can't rate up and hold that SPI. If you try you'll be blowing smoke rings from your pooter at around 750m.

Fait accompli.

I have already done 12 SPI for 2K @ 31 spm, without even sharpening for the effort.

When I am fully sharpened for the effort, I'll have the anaerobic capacity to rate up to 34-36 spm.

The low drag will only help things this time around.

If you can do it, rowing at low drag is more effective and efficient.

More skill, more length, more quickness, better timing, better sequencing, better leverage, less work, more rest.

ranger

hahaha wack it up to max, we all know you will

[NavigationHazard]

Please explain how something you haven't done, can't do, and will never be able to do is a "fait accompli."

And while you're at it, please explain again how low drag allows greater stroke length. The absolute amount you can move the handle back while remaining in contact with the foot stretcher is a function of your body size. It has nothing to do with drag factor. I must have missed your answer the last time I raised the issue.

[ranger]

Mike--

Come on over to BIRC and race.

The gang will all be there!

It looks as though you have a good chance for a bronze.

At least you could be honorable loser over there.

ranger

[ranger]

And while you're at it, please explain again how low drag allows greater stroke length.

At high drag, I cut the slide at the catch with my legs and dump the finish with my arms because of the heavy chain.

I can't be full and fast with either my legs or my arms.

ranger

[mrfit]

Nice 60min bike on the Kurt Kinetic, after erging.

Time to pack up and drive up to Lansing to check row the Head of the Grand course a few times.

It's supposed to be a gorgeous fall day here is Southeastern Michigan--sunny and 65 degrees F.

The trees are approaching the height of fall color.

So it should be beautiful OTW.

ranger

Here's my 60' on Kurt this morning. 2-3" of rain here. I'm not going anywhere!

http://img143.imageshack.us/f/oct152010.png/

[Byron Drachman]

The trees are approaching the height of fall color. So it should be beautiful OTW.

Here is a photo I took this morning.

[Byron Drachman]

That's because your force curve is considerably more spikey than mine, and much of its tail is close to worthless. I'll say it again. Boosting the vertical dimension of your force curve at the expense of its horizontal fullness is not just silly. At fast pace/rating combos and low drag it's especially counterproductive because the inordinate peak-force requirement prematurely overwhelms your muscles.

I have no idea why I am posting this, being that I am uninformed and incompetent, and my talking as though I know what I am talking about is downright dangerous, criminal. But here goes anyway. There is an additional complication in OTW rowing concerning a spike in the force curve. I will refrain from dispensing advice and simply ask some questions:

Why do you suppose in the Effective Sculling DVD they warn against too fast of a leg drive? Why do you think starts OTW are done with shorter strokes?

Hint: Do you want to move water or do you want to move the boat?

[nysaag]

I've said it before and I'll say again:

Ranger, the nay-doer, will never post any complete time and distance training results.
Ranger, the nay-doer, will never go below 6:4x OTE.
Ranger, the nay-doer, will never race Mike OTW.
Ranger, the nay-doer, will never pay Henry the money he owes him.

Ranger will always be an Internet TROLL.

[mikvan52]

Mike--

Come on over to BIRC and race.

The gang will all be there!

It looks as though you have a good chance for a bronze.

At least you could be honorable loser over there.

ranger

Since you're the millionaire ====> send me the money for airfare and hotel... I'll be there...