Ranger's training thread

[mikvan52]

A good young rower could outrow Dietz by a minute at the Head of the Charles, just paddling along at 20 spm and a 65% HRR heart rate, barely breaking a sweat.

While Dietz would collapse at the finish line, exhausted from running an AT HR for 20 minutes, the young rower could continue down the river for a couple of hours, just to make sure he got in some good meters.

ranger

troll post!
Nice.
and... total BS.

I hope you're man enough to say this to his face someday... I'd like to be there to see his bemused reaction.

As for my goal:
It will be faster than what you state in yet another of your troll missives...
It is clear that I have already done 6k faster than 2:05 pace this year.(see Black Fly; June 2010)
Conditions and traffic are the big issue on the Charles...

Black Fly 06/26/10 5851m 2:04.4 28.5 spm (head wind)(I won)
Grn.Mtn. 09/29/10 5000m 2:07.5 28spm (includes a 180ᵒ turn half-way through)(head wind for the ½ distance)(I won)

... I guess you cannot read very throughly


If it's flat water out there: My actual recorded times this summer (not 2003's) will carry me through into the 2:01.5 to 2:03 range for avg. pace at the HOCR on 10/23/10. This is medal territory for the 4800 meters. My rate will also depend on conditions.

I will go out and scull even splits.

When you scull the Grand... What will you go out at if it's calm? You preened and fluffed up your peacock feathers a few days ago and said 2:05 pace... Have you revised that now to something a little more believable?

[NavigationHazard]

Why is your not being close to able to do what you claim somehow "quite a bit better" than my situation? I'm not the one boasting (erroneously) over the alleged merits of my stroke. I'm not the one crowing about how I've found a magic bullet that will allow me to break a hatful of world records simultaneously. I'm not the one misrepresenting my training, fraudulently claiming to be doing "20k/day" with some magic stroke. And I'm not the one somehow equating a 3:08 1k at 34 spm by a 55-59 MHW (you) to a 2:50 1k at 34 spm by a 55-59 MHW (me). That's you, you, you and you.

[aharmer]

I'll certainly try.

That's what I am working on--directly--over the next month.

And that's the stroke I am using.

If I end up not being able to do it, then so it goes.

Shit happens.

Wondering if you could clarify for the masses? When you say you'll try, does that mean you'll try to physically reach your goal? Or does that mean you're already able to do this piece, but will try to find 3 minutes to set up the camera to film it?

Let's analyze each situation in greater depth. Time cannot be your obstacle. You could simply cut 3 minutes off your massive cross-training session in order to fit the taping into your schedule. You could also cut your daily internet posting down from 30 posts to 25 posts. They all say the same thing anyway.

So the only remaining question would be whether you're physically capable of doing the piece yet. Anybody that has completed the distance training that correlates to a specific 2k time can do 1k at that pace in their sleep, with zero sharpening. You've routinely made claims indicating that you can do far more impressive feats than this simple piece.

Boy, not much left to weasel out of is there? Now you can come on here and bash me all you want (I'll get it out of the way for you...I cannot do this piece and you are a superior erger to me if you judge by age and weight) but I'm not the one demanding you post this video. If your failing mind recalls, you specifically requested Nav and yourself both post this video. You even disappoint yourself by not posting your own screenshot requests.

Finally, I noticed a couple pages back that you snuck in a point about needing to improve your low rate erging from 13 to 14 SPI. That was nice. Now you've got a reason to go back to the drawing board for at least another year prior to sharpening. Sorry forumites, not only is BIRC not happening but neither is WIRC. And if they do, they will be done with zero preparation because he's still doing his low rate distance training.

[bellboy]

Hey Nav, i "did" the lovely Salma only last night. Trouble was she wasn't in the room with me

[mikvan52]

Rich: ... and I bet you used to date... yeah, that's right!, Marilyn Monroe...



Remarkable resemblance..."unprecedented"

[NavigationHazard]

Actually, he suggested that he post a video of himself rowing 1k in 3:08 r34 at DF 118 with a force curve/stroke profile that looks like the one in his screenshot, and that I post a video of myself rowing 1:25 pace r34 at DF 90. I agreed, even though the comparison is specious, provided he go first. He won't post anything because he can't. I don't think he can get past 500m at that pace with that stroke at that drag factor.

After the fact he went back and edited his original post to challenge me to a 1k at 2:50 r34 DF 90. I have no idea why he thinks this is equivalent to anything he's trying to do -- he's proposing to row a 1k r34 at 14 seconds over the 50-59 MHW 1k record, while asking that I now do the same at a lower DF (hence higher force requirements) at 4 seconds under the standing record (which used to be mine until about a month ago). It's worth noting that he's still in the 50-59 category through the end of the year, and he's still a HW unless/until he can weigh in credibly before a performance.

Can I produce something at 1:25 r34 df 90? Yes. Do I train at that DF? No. Do I race at that DF? No. Do I have quick legs and coordination sufficient to row that way (if I take leave of my senses)? Yes, and maybe for as much as 500m. I did a 500m for the CTC at 1:22.1 r45 back in Aug. 2008 on a hotel erg in Hanoi that had a DF of about 51....

[ranger]

Post deleted because the author cannot correctly attribute quotes.

[NavigationHazard]

Everything except a heart, and lungs, and muscles, and coordination, and skill, and the requisite cojones, and parietal lobes capable of controlling it all.

[mikvan52]

Wondering if you could clarify for the masses? When you say you'll try, does that mean you'll try to physically reach your goal?

Yep.

Everything needed is now in place.

I just need to keep sharpening, and it should happen--just naturally.

ranger

Please edit to correct authorship of quote.

The farce continues:\\

3:08 1k by ranger in 2010 at any weight...: never.

Let's look at records in two age groups: 50-59 and 60-69:

Heavy 50-59
1000meters 2:54.0
age 50
John Grady
2011


Light 50-59
1000
3:03.3
50
Steven Geary
2008

Heavy 60-69
1000m 3:00.0
60
James Castellan
2005

Light 60-69
1000
3:14.4
60
Mark Thomas
2011

The main problem? ranger is not 50... he's nearly 60 so he's closer to a 3:14.4 than a 3:03.3 as a dehydrated lightweight...
ranger is not a true hwt either... remembering it's 1/2 second per pound of weight for 2k (so 1/4 second for 1k) {source= Concept 2 literature on the erg}

example: a 220 lb erger has about 50 lbs on ranger.
50 x 0.25 = 12.5 seconds that ranger would have to make up all other things being equal.

So : If Jim Castellan's weighs 2:20... 3:00.0 becomes a 3:12.5 for ranger.. because he's small...

it's physics... get it?


Now, ranger will say: "speed doesn't fall off from 50-59 if you stay in shape"... to which I reply: "Really?"

Look at what happened to Steve Geary in two years

Steven Geary 52 Bluff South Island NZL 3:10.6 RACE

He lost 7 seconds...
Which might lead someone to ask: "Did ranger ever pull a 3:03 as a lwt (2003 included)?"

You tell us, Rich... We love your stories from the BattCave...

[rjw]

A nice goal for me over the Christmas holidays, just before I turn 60 (on January 25, 2011), would be to pull the American 60s lwt record for 2K at 22 spm (14 SPI).

Seven minutes of perfect low rate rowing.

I'll see if I can get that done.

ranger

That has never happened or never will!

[rjw]

.....

I see you've managed to post a screenshot from 9/17/10 (according to EXIF data) showing an actual heart rate. You've rowed 365m in 1:30 (2:03 pace) and managed to produce one stroke at 1:45 r23 at the end of it, with a HR of 126 bpm. Big fat hairy deal. What exactly is this supposed to demonstrate? That you're slow as molasses on Lady Thatcher's thighs?

.....

Nav - I believe that the HR continues to vary in this mode on the PM so a HR pic isn't illustrative at all.

[mrfit]

My workout this morning. A little more uptempo (76% HRR). Will ride outside this afternoon.

http://img440.imageshack.us/f/wattsandpoweroct14.png/

Note results are displayed as watts/Kg as that really defines performance in the real world. Once up to speed today, I was putting out 3.2 watts/kg. My PB in a TT (full aero bike with disc etc) in 2008 was 4.4W/Kg. 285watts at 65kg. (25mph over 13.2 miles). Elite Amatuers (aka Cat 1 racers would be 5W/Kg). Elite Pro's are about 6W/kg.

[Citroen]

What will he do, he won't row that's for sure, so will he post like a madman to get this off the radar or will he hide and stay quiet

Just like he did when I called out his EXIF data for yesterday's photo from 15:11 on 29th Dec 2009.

Pehaps he hasnt set the date corectly on his camera Dougie!

I think the date is set right. Today's image has a date of 9th Oct 2010 (only took him five days to post that).

[Steve G]

My workout this morning. A little more uptempo (76% HRR). Will ride outside this afternoon.

http://img440.imageshack.us/f/wattsandpoweroct14.png/

Note results are displayed as watts/Kg as that really defines performance in the real world. Once up to speed today, I was putting out 3.2 watts/kg. My PB in a TT (full aero bike with disc etc) in 2008 was 4.4W/Kg. 285watts at 65kg. (25mph over 13.2 miles). Elite Amatuers (aka Cat 1 racers would be 5W/Kg). Elite Pro's are about 6W/kg.

Just looking back at an earlier graph you posted, is 25mph 400 watts or am I looking at it wrong.
My 10 mile PB from this year is 24.01, so at 65 kgs that gives 6.15 watts per kilo?
I am not an elite pro just enjoy TTs, I will be 60 next week, so I beat Rich on that score
Which model are you using, may be a good tool for me in the winter months!
Cheers
Steve

[mrfit]

My workout this morning. A little more uptempo (76% HRR). Will ride outside this afternoon.

http://img440.imageshack.us/f/wattsandpoweroct14.png/

Note results are displayed as watts/Kg as that really defines performance in the real world. Once up to speed today, I was putting out 3.2 watts/kg. My PB in a TT (full aero bike with disc etc) in 2008 was 4.4W/Kg. 285watts at 65kg. (25mph over 13.2 miles). Elite Amatuers (aka Cat 1 racers would be 5W/Kg). Elite Pro's are about 6W/kg.

Just looking back at an earlier graph you posted, is 25mph 400 watts or am I looking at it wrong.
My 10 mile PB from this year is 24.01, so at 65 kgs that gives 6.15 watts per kilo?
I am not an elite pro just enjoy TTs, I will be 60 next week, so I beat Rich on that score
Which model are you using, may be a good tool for me in the winter months!
Cheers
Steve

Well the model of speed to power model that the Kurt Kinetic uses assumes you are climbing a 1% grade (53 feet of climbing every mile) and you are not in any aerodynamic position and not on an aero bike with any aero aids so your 25mph on an aero bike is going take less power than the rider in the kurt model. I'm not sure of the size of the rider in the model but my suspicion is he is a little porky. 25mph on a Kurt is very much harder than the real world 25mph of a time trialist on the generally flat course and aerodynamic aides. Like I said my 25mph was at 285 watts. Rough rule of thumb would be to add 2 mph to your KK speed to get a TT (aero bike config) speed.

My guess that your 24 mph was about 270 watts and 270/65 is 4.15on a W/kg basis. Over 10 miles at age 60, that's pretty good. I hope I still ride that hard when I'm 60.

Get the road machine model (and a bigger fan!)