Ranger's training thread

[NavigationHazard]

Hey, Nav--

How about this?

Let's train with these strokes for a while and then post some work in progress.

I'll post a video doing 1K, 1:34 @ 34 spm at 118 df. and you post a video doing 1:25 @ 34 spm at 90 df.

Whaddya say?

ranger

I agree to this (not to your edited version). You go first, sometime this morning. Be sure to wear your HR monitor, to position the camera so it shows the PM force-curve display along with you during the row, to show on camera that you've checked the drag before you start and that it's 118, that you take exactly 107 strokes, and that you weigh yourself on camera before you do it.

[Steve G]

If I want to use my cross-trianing on the Kurt Kinetic to get used to generating the wattage necessary in order to row perfectly at low rates with a UT2 HR and 22 spm (1:44/310 watts), it looks as though I have to do about 22.5 MPH.

http://img221.imageshack.us/f/speedandpowergraph.png/

So, that would be a good long-term goal.

Yep.

Time to bring a big fan out to the garage!



For a long ride, that's pushin' it.

ranger

P.S. If someone like NavHaz wanted to do the same, he'd have to do 374 watts, or about 24 mph on the Kurt Kinetic.

Looks like the Kurt Kinetic has been a reality check for you, I have been telling you for months now that you aren't doing 22mph for 2 hours, now you have a machine with some resistance you obviously realise it!

BTW, I don't understand how the trainer will help you to row perfectly, or why you didn't get the big fan out years ago, you always go on about pools of sweat! Is it just a weight loss tool ?

Cheers

[hjs]

Hey, Nav--

How about this?

Let's train with these strokes for a while and then post some work in progress.

I'll post a video doing 1K, 1:34 @ 34 spm at 118 df. and you post a video doing 1:25 @ 34 spm at 90 df.

Whaddya say?

ranger

I agree to this (not to your edited version). You go first, sometime this morning. Be sure to wear your HR monitor, to position the camera so it shows the PM force-curve display along with you during the row, to show on camera that you've checked the drag before you start and that it's 118, that you take exactly 107 strokes, and that you weigh yourself on camera before you do it.

What will he do, he won't row that's for sure, so will he post like a madman to get this off the radar or will he hide and stay quiet

[NavigationHazard]

Both. He'll hide for a while (don't forget he's supposed to be going to Lansing to row the HOTG course "five or six times"). Then he'll come back on with some new bit of lunacy. That will turn out to have been old lunacy, recycled....

[hjs]

Both. He'll hide for a while (don't forget he's supposed to be going to Lansing to row the HOTG course "sive or six times"). Then he'll come back on with some new bit of lunacy. That will turn out to have been old lunacy, recycled....

Supposed........... no doubt he will find a way to get out.

So you have to wait untill Birc before you can out erg him with 40 seconds plus.

[Citroen]

What will he do, he won't row that's for sure, so will he post like a madman to get this off the radar or will he hide and stay quiet

Just like he did when I called out his EXIF data for yesterday's photo from 15:11 on 29th Dec 2009.

[ranger]

What will he do, he won't row that's for sure, so will he post like a madman to get this off the radar or will he hide and stay quiet

Just like he did when I called out his EXIF data for yesterday's photo from 15:11 on 29th Dec 2009.

ranger

[Steve G]

What will he do, he won't row that's for sure, so will he post like a madman to get this off the radar or will he hide and stay quiet

Just like he did when I called out his EXIF data for yesterday's photo from 15:11 on 29th Dec 2009.

Pehaps he hasnt set the date corectly on his camera Dougie!

[ranger]

Looks like the Kurt Kinetic has been a reality check for you, I have been telling you for months now that you aren't doing 22mph for 2 hours, now you have a machine with some resistance you obviously realise it!

BTW, I don't understand how the trainer will help you to row perfectly
Cheers

Naw.

I said that I was going 20 mph on the road, and as it turns out, I go 20 mph on the Kurt Kinetic.

Exactly the same.

The push will be to get to 22.5 mph, but I think it will come along in due course.

How will riding at 22.5 mph on the Kurt Kinetic help me row perfectly?

Try it for a couple of hours a day.

You'll see.

If NavHaz did two hours at 24 mph on the Kurt Kinetic every day in addition to his rowing, he'd be lean as a rail and tough as nails.

ranger

[ranger]

Hey, Nav--

How about this?

Let's train with these strokes for a while and then post some work in progress.

I'll post a video doing 1K, 1:34 @ 34 spm at 118 df. and you post a video doing 1:25 @ 34 spm at 90 df.

Whaddya say?

ranger

I agree to this (not to your edited version). You go first, sometime this morning. Be sure to wear your HR monitor, to position the camera so it shows the PM force-curve display along with you during the row, to show on camera that you've checked the drag before you start and that it's 118, that you take exactly 107 strokes, and that you weigh yourself on camera before you do it.

Naw, not this morning.

But I'll certainly do it sometime between now and BIRC.

How about that?

I am just getting the feel of race rate and pace at 118 df.

But race rate and pace is my principal focus for the next month, so I will arrive at 1Ks pretty darn soon.

3:07/1:33.5 is my 1K pb, rowing badly at max drag.

So 1Ks at 34 spm, rowing well at 118 df., which is much more effective and efficient, shouldn't be that bad at all.

ranger

[snowleopard]

If NavHaz did two hours at 24 mph on the Kurt Kinetic every day in addition to his rowing, he'd be lean as a rail and tough as nails.

Er, why should Nav have to cycle faster than you? His physique gives him no advantage on a bike whatsoever

But I'll certainly do it sometime between now and BIRC.

[NavigationHazard]

I already am tough as nails, and I don't have a Kurt Kinetic. And I'm not the one who has to cross-train in a madly hopeless scramble to cut weight. Although I am damn fast on a bike when I want to be.

I see you've managed to post a screenshot from 9/17/10 (according to EXIF data) showing an actual heart rate. You've rowed 365m in 1:30 (2:03 pace) and managed to produce one stroke at 1:45 r23 at the end of it, with a HR of 126 bpm. Big fat hairy deal. What exactly is this supposed to demonstrate? That you're slow as molasses on Lady Thatcher's thighs?

"Naw, not this morning".... That's you in a nutshell. You will not post that video. Not any morning, not ever. Fraud fears nothing like exposure.

[ranger]

You will not post that video.

I'll certainly try.

That's what I am working on--directly--over the next month.

And that's the stroke I am using.

If I end up not being able to do it, then so it goes.

Shit happens.

That's quite a bit better than _your_ situation, though.

You won't post the video because you don't train with the stroke you have illustrated--at all--much less 20K a day, as I do.

And even if you did, you can't do 1K, 1:25 @ 34 spm, regardless, with whatever stroke.

So that's that--both right now, and forever.

ranger

[Byron Drachman]

I'm about to go to the river. Will you be there this morning?

[ranger]

I'm about to go to the river. Will you be there this morning?

Tomorrow and Saturday, Byron.

I teach today, 10 a.m.-3 p.m.

You know, a job?

ranger