Ranger's training thread

[ausrwr]

OTW, I ... have never had any lessons or a coach of any sort

Liar

To be fair, can you imagine Rich listening to anyone but the voices in his head?

[mrfit]

This morning's "grain of sand in the hourglass" ride on the Kurt Kinetic. (70% HRR). Cadence 80 rpm.

http://img40.imageshack.us/f/powerandhroct13.png/

I ride on the toughest gear.

In fact, my bike is so trashed, I _can't_ use any other gear.

Clearly, I need a new bike.

The other day, my kickstand just rotten off.



The deluge of sweat from my rides has rusted out everything--spokes, gears, chain, etc.

ranger

Jesus. Cycleops makes sweat guards for your bike. Perhaps you should get one for the new bike. A fan will also significantly reduce the sweating on the trainer. Might explain the high HR for the effort, your heart is racing to keep you cool by circulating more blood to the skin while your muscles compete for it at the same time. A little sweat and a large fan is heaven as the evaporation process is the real cooling effect of sweat.

(I write this but get a feeling that profuse sweating is part of your weight loss program?) If so, check out one of these to go along with that strategy.

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[KevJGK]

I ... have never had any lessons

Liar

Why do you say that?

In 2003, I took two days of a learn to scull class

Brilliant Paul!

Absolutely hilarious

"Why do you say that?"

I almost choked.

[bellboy]

The irony escapes him. wonderful stuff

[Byron Drachman]

In 2003, I took two days of a learn to scull class, but I couldn't take a stroke and so just drifted around the river. That was it. No instruction was possible.

That's a pity. I take that to mean that instruction was possible because there was an instructor but learning was not possible.

Was it all the instructor's fault or was the student at least partially to blame?

Here in the Lansing area most students do very well in our learn to row courses. Every now and then we get a student who is so "uncoachable" that it would be beyond our resources to work with him or her. At the other end of the spectrum a few times we have had students who after a few short lessons look like expert scullers.

added later: Just to set your mind at ease, we use qualified coaches to teach the courses. I do some helping out but I am not one of the instructors.

[ranger]

In 2003, I took two days of a learn to scull class, but I couldn't take a stroke and so just drifted around the river. That was it. No instruction was possible.

That's a pity. I take that to mean that instruction was possible because there was an instructor but learning was not possible.

Was it all the instructor's fault or was the student at least partially to blame?

Here in the Lansing area most students do very well in our learn to row courses. Every now and then we get a student who is so "uncoachable" that it would be beyond our resources to work with him or her. At the other end of the spectrum a few times we have had students, who after a few short lessons, look like expert scullers.

added later: Just to set your mind at ease, we use qualified coaches. I am not one.

I don't know.

We were just put out OTW in singles on two windy days.

No one who didn't know how to scull learned to scull.

Most quit--permanently--because they repeatedly flipped and couldn't get back in.

I bought my Peinert26 and taught myself.

Whatever works, I guess.

ranger

[ranger]

Cycleops makes sweat guards for your bike. Perhaps you should get one for the new bike.

I'll just use my old bike on the trainer.

I'll ride my new bike on the road.

ranger

[ranger]

Might explain the high HR for the effort, your heart is racing to keep you cool by circulating more blood to the skin while your muscles compete for it at the same time.

No, I just think it's the effort.

I am going over 20 mph.

So, at a much higher wattage than you're maintaining, at least in your recent screenshot, running a HR of 150 bpm.

ranger

[Byron Drachman]

In 2003, I took two days of a learn to scull class, but I couldn't take a stroke and so just drifted around the river. That was it. No instruction was possible.

That's a pity. I take that to mean that instruction was possible because there was an instructor but learning was not possible.

Was it all the instructor's fault or was the student at least partially to blame?

Here in the Lansing area most students do very well in our learn to row courses. Every now and then we get a student who is so "uncoachable" that it would be beyond our resources to work with him or her. At the other end of the spectrum a few times we have had students, who after a few short lessons, look like expert scullers.

added later: Just to set your mind at ease, we use qualified coaches. I am not one.

I don't know.

We were just put out OTW in singles on two windy days.

No one who didn't know how to scull learned to scull.

Most quit--permanently--because they repeatedly flipped and couldn't get back in.

I bought my Peinert26 and taught myself.

ranger

We start our students in a training barge for the first session just to get the basic idea of the stroke, then they go in quads. At first two set the boat and two row. That usually doesn't last long because the students want to try all four. A quad, even with novices, is a very stable boat. After that, they progress to doubles. We have two older doubles that are heavier and wider than the newer boats we well as some skinny doubles. Then they go in rec. boats like Aldens, wide Juliennes, or Maas boats. We don't ask students to go to the smaller boats or racing singles until they are comfortable doing so.

[ranger]

We start our students in a training barge for the first session just to get the basic idea of the stroke, then they go in quads. At first two set the boat and two row. That usually doesn't last long because the students want to try all four. A quad, even with novices, is a very stable boat. After that, they progress to doubles. We have two older doubles that are heavier and wider than the newer boats we well as some skinny doubles. Then they go in rec. boats like Aldens, wide Juliennes, or Maas boats. We don't ask students to go to the smaller boats or racing singles until they are comfortable doing so.

Nothing of the sort was done in the non-lessons I was given.

And given it was a windy weekend, we all just did a lot of swimming.

ranger

[mikvan52]

Based on all the video of your OTW efforts: You need help.

The video you looked at, where I was going 2:00 @ 30 spm, is three years old, in terms of rowing seasons.

You have no current video of my rowing.

So you have no basis to judge how I now row.

So much has happened to my OTW rowing over the last three years that I can't even being to describe it here.

Sure I still have lots to learn, but the whole business, if you talk about accomplishment in racing just comes down to how fast you are going, regardless.

No?

"No?" ....
You're right Rich: No!


MAKE US LAUGH SOME MORE
"But before I raced, I had nothing to report."

Do you mean things like "I am now sculling as good as Jim Dietz."... ???

Also:
Which professor of poetry from UM said " I will post a video of me sculling soon" back in May or was it June...?

You're hiding from competition and scrutiny of what you do OTW, Rich... after claiming to have rowed many, many, more meters on the water than anyone else you age in the world. I don't scull even half as many as you claim...

... and you can't post a single example of "lots of (seeing) 1:58 pace" OTW.
You are a fabricator. The Head of the Grand will "out" you...

You will eventually decide to exclude 1x OTW racing from your goals because of your steadfast insistence that fitness and your current form (as seen on the erg) will carry you to the medal stand.
No one denies that you can generate watts on a trainer (the C2 indoor rower)... you just don't have what it takes to move a 1x fast on the water. Also your approach is wrong (for the water).... You say
I erg first because you need to concentrate on that discipline to carry you to a WR on the erg...
Well, there are many examples of people who row first and erg second (or very very little) who are fastest in the rankings.
Who?
Two examples:
Ursula Grobler (WR 2k lwt)
me (top 1hr all time, top 5k this year... 55-59 lwt)

Go ahead Rich: Post your "my work is done" stroke on video of you sculling in the Windbagger.
Far be it from you from posting video: Don't you have 60-100 of them now?
Byron would do it for you if you gave him a new wool hat...

[mrfit]

Might explain the high HR for the effort, your heart is racing to keep you cool by circulating more blood to the skin while your muscles compete for it at the same time.

No, I just think it's the effort.

I am going over 20 mph.

So, at a much higher wattage than you're maintaining, at least in your recent screenshot, running a HR of 150 bpm.

ranger

covering 20miles in an hour at 160 bpm? Good work. That's around 230 watts.

[ranger]

covering 20miles in an hour at 160 bpm? Good work. That's around 230 watts.

Do you have a graph that plots watts against speed for the Kurt Kinetic?

If so, could you post it?

That would be interesting.

ranger

[ranger]

you just don't have what it takes to move a 1x fast on the water.

You don't have any evidence for that.

I have my speed coach.

I guess I don't understand.

Are you saying that, if I row along, 2:05 @ 26 spm, on Sunday for 2.5 miles, just rowing easily, then somehow I didn't, or it didn't matter, or...?

ranger

[ranger]

Post your "my work is done" stroke on video of you sculling

I didn't say my work on technique is done OTW.

I have all kinds of problems with my OTW technique that I continue to work on.

As I mentioned, I think I can get better, year after year, for the next ten years.

What I said is that if I do 2:05 @ 26 spm for 2.5 miles this Sunday, just rowing easily, I will do as well as you.

Different claim entirely.

ranger