Ranger's training thread

[PaulH]

OTW, I ... have never had any lessons or a coach of any sort

Liar

[snowleopard]

If you heartrate max is 190 and you ride with 160 al you have to is speed up firm for a few minutes and your hartrate will easily go to 180. If that was the case you would direct make a pic and show it.

Indeed, as I reported, that's just what happened a couple of days ago, although I didn't even speed up.

ranger

The point is you reporting anything doesn,t mean anything. You always lie, so next time take a picture and show it. without it .............

If our hero was genuinely a caring, sharing type he could hook his T3C up to a PC via a pod and show some real HR data

[mikvan52]

You and I have the same OTW racing experience: zero.

No reason to race until you know how to row pretty well.

I have been rowing my 1x in the spring, summer, and fall, on a regular basis, for seven years.

I will race OTW this weekend.

If things go well, I will go along at about the same rate and pace as someone like Mike VB, the OTW US National Champion in my age group for both weight classes.

Mike has been rowing OTW for 40 years, was a collegiate rower, has stroked at 8 at the World Championships, has coached OTW rowing for the last 15 years, rows OTW year round, has had both team coaches and personal coaches, has been racing his single for the last ten years, has extensive racing experience, both in sprints and head races, rows on the upper Connecticut River, one of the best rowing venues in the US, and so forth.

OTW, I didn't get in a boat of any sort until I was 53 years old, have never had any lessons or a coach of any sort, have never raced in any sort of boat, and row by myself on a short course in a swamp.

ranger

I feel that ranger must post stuff like this so I'll correct him over and over.
There is only an element of truth in what he says here.
I am not going to waste my time setting the record straight AGAIN. So, for now, consider everything he says as only partially true.
One important example: I did not row regularly from 1971 through 1998... IOW: 27 years out of the 40 stated above.
==> I ran instead to fit my other aspirations and needs. This helped me maintain my CV system and sanity.
I think I failed in respect to the latter goal.

Rich: You named your coach and stated that you were in a learn to row program.

also: No novice sculler matches national champion times their first time out... I do not say this to say you aren't on you way to possible good times some time in the future.
But you will need to develop as all ordinary earthling scullers do...

[mrfit]

This morning's "grain of sand in the hourglass" ride on the Kurt Kinetic. (70% HRR). Cadence 80 rpm.

http://img40.imageshack.us/f/powerandhroct13.png/

[ranger]

OTW, I ... have never had any lessons or a coach of any sort

Liar

Why do you say that?

In 2003, I took two days of a learn to scull class, but I couldn't take a stroke and so just drifted around the river.

That was it.

No instruction was possible.

ranger

[ranger]

This morning's "grain of sand in the hourglass" ride on the Kurt Kinetic. (70% HRR). Cadence 80 rpm.

http://img40.imageshack.us/f/powerandhroct13.png/

I ride on the toughest gear.

In fact, my bike is so trashed, I _can't_ use any other gear.

Clearly, I need a new bike.

The other day, my kickstand just rotten off.



The deluge of sweat from my rides has rusted out everything--spokes, gears, chain, etc.

ranger

[ranger]

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If our hero was genuinely a caring, sharing type he could hook his T3C up to a PC via a pod and show some real HR data

I don't know how to do it; I don't have a PC; I have a MacBookPro.

ranger

[ranger]

No novice sculler matches national champion times their first time out

I have been sculling for seven years.

I have pulled 6:28 for 2k OTErg, and am now getting ready to pull 6:16.

The National Champion pulls 6:50 OTErg.

ranger

[PaulH]

OTW, I ... have never had any lessons or a coach of any sort

Liar

Why do you say that?

In 2003, I took two days of a learn to scull class, but I couldn't take a stroke and so just drifted around the river.

That was it.

No instruction was possible.

ranger

I say that because, as you just confirmed, you had two days of lessons, with a coach. You couldn't have been clearer in stating categorically that this had not happened, and then you tell us that it did. Waffling on competence and other factors is irrelevant; you stated something that was untrue, and demonstrated that you knew it to be untrue. That's a lie, and hence you're a liar.

[mikvan52]

No novice sculler matches national champion times their first time out

I have been sculling for seven years.

I have pulled 6:28 for 2k OTErg, and am now getting ready to pull 6:16.

The National Champion pulls 6:50 OTErg.

ranger

To be precise about your (incorrect) claim:

You have pulled (not rowed) the constant avg. wattage equivalent of 6:41 the same year as I pulled (not rowed) a 6:47.
I was not racing the erg in 2003.

The important consideration for 2010 is this:

When an erger moves to the water: What happens to all the watts? Do they automatically get transformed into boat speed?

Why don't you tell us since you alone know how fast the Windbagger floats down the swamp behind the BattCave Please state this in minutes and seconds for a full and uninterrupted 500m.
You have done a couple of these in your "seven years" of whatever it is you do out there on the Huron, don't you?

I won't waste time (as you won't report this):
Why are you afraid to post your best 500m OTW time? or 1k? or 2k? or 5k?
Could it be because your admittedly strong watt generation on the erg doesn't translate into fast water times?

For me this is not a mystery.
Based on all the video of your OTW efforts: You need help. You have had 7 years of exploration of the sport on your own.
Result: no record of anything noteworthy in the 1x.
Perhaps a change of approach is in order?

[ranger]

Based on all the video of your OTW efforts: You need help.

The video you looked at, where I was going 2:00 @ 30 spm, is three years old, in terms of rowing seasons.

You have no current video of my rowing.

So you have no basis to judge how I now row.

So much has happened to my OTW rowing over the last three years that I can't even being to describe it here.

Sure I still have lots to learn, but the whole business, if you talk about accomplishment in racing just comes down to how fast you are going, regardless.

No?

When I rate 26 spm, I now go 2:05 pace, just like you.

So my plan for Sunday is to rate 26 spm.

Sure, I could get lost on the course. I could get tangled up in weeds. I could get blown away by the wind. I could freeze in the cold. And all sorts of other things.

But that doesn't change this:

When I rate 26 spm, I now go 2:05 pace, just like you.

So, sure, it will be interesting to see what happens.

It's supposed to be a beautiful, sunny day.

And I row at 11 a.m.

So it should be warm--60 degrees F.

ranger

[ranger]

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I say that because, as you just confirmed, you had two days of lessons, with a coach. You couldn't have been clearer in stating categorically that this had not happened, and then you tell us that it did. Waffling on competence and other factors is irrelevant; you stated something that was untrue, and demonstrated that you knew it to be untrue. That's a lie, and hence you're a liar.

I couldn't take a stroke.

So no instruction was possible.

I did a lot of swimming, though.



All of this non-instruction occurred on two afternoons (Saturday and Sunday) over one weekend seven years ago.

ranger

[ranger]

Result: no record of anything noteworthy in the 1x.

True.

Before you race, you have nothing to report about your racing.

In my first race OTErg, when I was 51, I pulled 6:27.5, four seconds under the 50s lwt WR.

But before I raced, I had nothing to report.

ranger

[snowleopard]

When I rate 26 spm, I now go 2:05 pace, just like you.

To make that comparison valid you need to add duration to the equation. I can row 500m in less than 90 seconds but I can't break 6:00 for 2K

[PaulH]

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I say that because, as you just confirmed, you had two days of lessons, with a coach. You couldn't have been clearer in stating categorically that this had not happened, and then you tell us that it did. Waffling on competence and other factors is irrelevant; you stated something that was untrue, and demonstrated that you knew it to be untrue. That's a lie, and hence you're a liar.

I couldn't take a stroke.

So no instruction was possible.

I did a lot of swimming, though.



All of this non-instruction occurred on two afternoons (Saturday and Sunday) over one weekend seven years ago.

ranger

Indeed - you said you hadn't had a lesson, and you had. That makes you a liar. We've been over this before and you've agreed that you're a liar, so I don't know why you're fighting it this time.