Ranger's training thread

[mikvan52]

Have Mike VB do 2Kr20.

See what he can do.

My guesss is 1:52--if that.

ranger

Correction:
"Have Mike VB do 1500mr20."
I'd do it, Rich, but I find that racing my training is ruinous...

Any chance you'd post a screen shot of the same workout programmed for 250m splits w/ El Suunto in use?
... It would be very illustrative.

Today for me:
0 meters on the bike
0 minutes on the stepper
constant weight
plenty of hydration
5k race-pace session planned for the water (1-2 min with breaks)
load 1x tomorrow for NBC's Head of the Housatonic Saturday morning (dress rehearsal for the Charles)

As for your suggestion for 2kr20 OTErg..
Here's my answer...

[ranger]

Why didn't you pull a lwt 6:24 in 2007?

I was still working on technique, so training, working on my weaknesses, rather than performing, parading my strengths.

I didn't prepare my weight to race.

I didn't sharpen.

Nonetheless, I pulled 6:29.7.

ranger

[ranger]

Correction:
"Have Mike VB do 1500mr20."

No.

In 2007, I pulled 2Kr20 @ 1:46 and posted the screen shot.

ranger

[ranger]

ranger

[ranger]

Mike--

Can you still pull 7:04 for 2K--free rate?

2Kr20 is done at 2K + 10.

ranger

[mikvan52]

Correction:
"Have Mike VB do 1500mr20."

No.

In 2007, I pulled 2Kr20 @ 1:46 and posted the screen shot.

ranger

In 1970, I won the National juniors title in a straight four OTW.

It's fun playing non sequitur with you.
Thanks!

But why are you posting so much this am? Shouldn't you be doing jackknives or something?

How are those repeat 5ks coming under 18:00 each?

This is a different clip... better than the first!


Coffee's hot / ranger's cold....

[hjs]

Back in 2002-2003...

Maybe some ranger scholars more knowledgeable than myself can help me out here. Back in 2002-2003, when ranger last broke a world record, was he already "rowing with breaks" year in, year out? I ask because I'm wondering if this method has produced anything other than a natural decline from 6:28 to 6:41.

No in those days he did not use this rowing with breaks. He rowed 2 x hour per day, he was around 90 kg in those days. just for weightloss reasons and by accident discovered racing. In his firts race ever he pulled his liftime best. H never bettered that first race..............

His obsession with 6.16 can be found In Mike Caviston. Mike rowed a 6.18 40 lightweight Wr in those days and was a colleque at the same Uni as dangy. Mike got a lot of credit for this row and that pissed ranger off. At first he started to more or less "stalk" Mike to see how he trained to see if he could learn. As to be aspected he started talking bad about Mikes training
Around that moment he thought he could get to that 6.18 and below if he just got stronger. So he plan was simple, just pull hard, take a rest if needed and keep doing it untill you are stronge enough. In itself not that bad an idea, but in practice it did not work. He worked on it, forgot his weight, so trained around 85 kg, claiming to be a lightweight
In 2006 he raced his last good race a 6.29.7 but far above the 75 kg limit.

He did forget one thing ..........his age, he pb d a age 52 now is almost 60.......... That is 90% of the story of him getting slower.


Why o why does dangy not respond ?

[mrfit]

I'm only MORE certain that 1:48 at 21spm is FAR from UT2. Still not taking me up on the view of an hour of 1:48 this pace with a HR profile? I did not think so. The real world is so tough. You can row it free rate, I do not care. It's not your UT2 pace. Stop lying.

ranger you also need to accept that you rowed at 133df in 2006. I'm not sure that has sunk in, you keep saying all your racing in the past was high drag. Additionally, your 60' trainer rides are about 200watts (22.8mph on a cycleops mag trainer), which is very good. My recovery rides are are about that.

[mikvan52]

This post's topic is free rate
I wonder if ranger can stay on topic should he wish to reply...

Mike--

Can you still pull 7:04 for 2K--free rate?

Rich: You know the answer to this! = from 1/2/2010
http://concept2.co.uk/forum/blog.php?u=7679&b=69955
but...How is this relevant to your training?

You would not emulate what I do, would you? Isn't this because you are interested primarily about generating watts with a chain while seated on stationary machine while I'm interested primarily in moving a 28lb boat over the surface of a body of water?
We're "all ears" about what you might do free rate on the erg. What I do free rate on the water is off topic and can be read about in my blog on the UK site. It's "free".
My training is only of marginal interest to most people even if I am currently faster than you free rate on the erg at 500m, 5k, and 1 hour as a lwt.
Your current (2010) free rate 2k best is 6-7 seconds faster than mine.

My free rate focus right now, both on and off the water, is 5k. Small wonder, as the head race distance is most commonly 5k every fall. As you have said that your secondary goal is scull free rate 5k head races. let me ask again: When is your first free rate one going to be done? The Grand thingy coming up is only 3k...
I suggest you consider sculling a few free rate dress rehearsals at 3mi to 5k prior to October 2011 when you think you might do the Charles free rate

Did you ever try a 500m free rate OTW in your boat, the Windbagger? If so what time did you get? This might give all of us an idea about how effective your erg training is for OTW results.
I've noticed that you like to keep your free rate times for standard distances on the water secret. That's odd for someone who professes to have such good free rate form.

Feel free to respond. Hope you can stay on topic.

[whp4]

Sure.

That could help a lot.

It has been demonstrated scientifically (by my brother, no less) that caffeine enhances athletic performance by as much as 20%, especially when the effort exceeds a couple of hours.

ranger

are you now dragging your brother into your nonsens. Show 1 study that shows that 20%.

Why are you always so wrong ?

Search my brother's publications.

You'll find it.

ranger

As an alleged scholar, you should understand that the one making or referencing the claim is the one responsible for the citation, not the audience!

[whp4]

Correction:
"Have Mike VB do 1500mr20."

No.

In 2007, I pulled 2Kr20 @ 1:46 and posted the screen shot.

ranger

Couldn't manage to keep the last split at r20, might have been as high as r21.49! Probably sucked a few books of the shelves, you were breathing so hard!

[whp4]

IMO, in training, anytime you are not rowing perfectly, you are damaging your chances of ever becoming better.

You are training yourself to be bad.

You are missing something essential.

You are short-sliding.

You are dumping the finish.

You are diving at the catch.

You are mistiming your levers.

You are losing contact at the footplate.

You aren't swinging your back.

You aren't driving your toes down with your calves when you push away with your legs.

Etc.

Rowing badly when you train is like practicing scales on the piano for hours on end and screwing up every time, but not caring.

Your little finger misses its key each time, but, hey, what the heck.

ranger

An excellent description of your rowing. Apparently you do have some recognition of your faults!

[PaulH]

Other than me, no 55w/60s lwt can get anywhere near 2K, 1:46 @ 20 spm--at all.

There is no evidence for that statement.

Happy to have someone refute this claim.

Unfortunately, there are no takers.

That's rather a double-standard you have there. Whenever someone says that you can't do X, you claim that there is no evidence for that, as though they needed to prove their statement. Strangely when you're the one making a statement it's up to others to prove you wrong.

[NavigationHazard]

Actually, the "other than me" claim is eminently refutable. He is neither 60 right now nor a LW.

[snowleopard]

It has been demonstrated scientifically (by my brother, no less) that caffeine enhances athletic performance by as much as 20%, especially when the effort exceeds a couple of hours.

You are so full of crap. Highly sophisticated blood-doping programs only improve endurance performance by single digit %ages. Why don't you call up UCI and recommend that everyone just goes over to Starbucks for a double expresso instead of a blood transfusion

(Any yes, it's up to you to cite the reference. If you are having trouble finding it just ask your brother.)