Ranger's training thread

[PaulH]

So when you gave all those short-term goals in Paul's post (there are many more from you from previous years), you were actually lying?

Nope.

I was working toward long-term goals.

Then why did you keep saying you'd do something in a week's time? In what possible way is doing something next Saturday a long term goal?

Slightly off-topic: You've now suggested that the two volunteer moderators on this forum should both be killed. If you repeat the threat, or make the same suggestion about anyone else, I'll ban you. You'll be free to appeal that ban, of course, but not to me.

[ranger]

1:48 @ 21 spm is pretty easy to remember.

It is not only 13 SPI.

It is also 13 MPS.

Just 39 strokes per 500m.

The boat really runs!

The wheel really spins.

When he was training for his 1x Gold medal row, Xeno says that he liked to do most of his meters OTW at 21 spm.

ranger

[ranger]

So when you gave all those short-term goals in Paul's post (there are many more from you from previous years), you were actually lying?

Nope.

I was working toward long-term goals.

Then why did you keep saying you'd do something in a week's time? In what possible way is doing something next Saturday a long term goal?

Slightly off-topic: You've now suggested that the two volunteer moderators on this forum should both be killed. If you repeat the threat, or make the same suggestion about anyone else, I'll ban you. You'll be free to appeal that ban, of course, but not to me.

Oh, pshaw.

Metaphorical speech.

No one is recommending murder.

Are computer viruses biological?

No.

Internet vermin don't have tails, fur, and claws, either (although they might have whiskers ).

Note sense/meaning #2:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/vermin

ranger

[ranger]

Paul--

If you don't have any appreciation for someone, still learning to row, training for four hours a day trying to get better, both OTW and off, racing WR pace for 2K, 20 seconds faster than anyone their age and weight, year after year, without even preparing for it, because they are so dedicated to the task they have set for themselves that they don't want to disturb their training, then I just don't know what to say.

The only thing I can conclude is that you must be an asshole--or a forkin' dolt.

No one is suggesting that vermin of your sort should be literally murdered, but sheesh, wishing upon you a good dose of metaphorical rat poison of the strongest sort seems entirely justified.

ranger

[mrfit]

That was funny when Ranger got called lying about the WR LW Marathon Stroke rate. If you do not know something do not pretend. Pretender....

Oh.. and your UT2 pace is not 1:48. Sorry.

[ranger]

Oh.. and your UT2 pace is not 1:48. Sorry.

Yes, it is.

ranger

[PaulH]

Paul--

If you don't have any appreciation for someone, still learning to row, training for four hours a day, racing WR pace for 2K,20 seconds faster than anyone their age and weight, year after year, without even preparing for it, because they are so dedicated to the task they have set for themselves that they don't want to disturb their training, then I just don't know what to say.

The only thing I can conclude is that you must be an asshole--or a forkin' dolt.

ranger

I have enormous admiration for someone being so dedicated to their training. That's why I wouldn't expect that person to impose short-term and seemingly arbitrary targets for themselves (such as predicting six consecutive world records). But if they do exactly that, and then deny that they did it after the fact, I don't think the flaw is with me.

On the other subject: I'm not interested in your post hoc rationalizations, and I'm not going to debate it with you. Just don't say that people should be killed.

[ranger]

I have enormous admiration for someone being so dedicated to their training.

What you admire is something mythical in your own head that has nothing to do with the reality of the situation, which you don't have a clue about.

I am not sure why you would want to throw a bunch of naive, ignorant barbs at someone, day after day, who is doing something, day after day, that that takes a level of skill, exertion, and dedication that you have never experienced and clearly cannot even comprehend.

ranger

[mrfit]

Oh.. and your UT2 pace is not 1:48. Sorry.

Yes, it is.

ranger

Then row an hour of it (continuously) and show the HR result. You have no credibility on your word.

[macroth]

Paul--

If you don't have any appreciation for someone, still learning to row, training for four hours a day trying to get better, both OTW and off, racing WR pace for 2K, 20 seconds faster than anyone their age and weight, year after year, without even preparing for it, because they are so dedicated to the task they have set for themselves that they don't want to disturb their training, then I just don't know what to say.

So many lies and misrepresentations in a single paragraph.

Moving right along...

wrote:Oh.. and your UT2 pace is not 1:48. Sorry.

Yes, it is.

ranger

Hey rangerboy, row any continuous 5K's in 18 minutes lately? Why not? It's just UT2 pace for you after all, nothing strenuous.

[mikvan52]

1:48 @ 21 spm is pretty easy to remember.

It is not only 13 SPI.

It is also 13 MPS.

Just 39 strokes per 500m.

The boat really runs!

The wheel really spins.

When he was training for his 1x Gold medal row, Xeno says that he liked to do most of his meters OTW at 21 spm.

Was Xeno sculling in a 1x driven by a paddle wheel?


How the sustained boat speed coming in your paddle-steamer? Gotten up to 40 strokes at 2:10 yet?

[PaulH]

I have enormous admiration for someone being so dedicated to their training.

What you admire is something mythical in your own head that has nothing to do with the reality of the situation, which you don't have a clue about.

I am not sure why you would want to throw a bunch of naive, ignorant barbs at someone, day after day, who is doing something, day after day, that that takes a level of skill, exertion, and dedication that you have never experienced and clearly cannot even comprehend.

ranger

Fascinating. But just to clarify, why did you set short term goals for what you would do when you weren't setting yourself short term goals?

[DUThomas]

What does "age group standard" mean?

Yes, I know you're taking a detour .. w/all this talk about biking on an erg thread, no less...
Tsk, tsk!! You should be ashamed

There is a new (2011 ranking) 55-59 lwt 5k "age group standard" on the erg as of this evening:
17:56.4 done at a rate of 28 spm in Hartland, Vermont...

Now are you going to let a washed up guy who's scared of you show you up?
... and I spent most of the day picking field stone and building a retaining wall...

See my blog entry for particulars:
Click Mike's Blog

I know you're blathering like crazy to bury this.

[hjs]

What does "age group standard" mean?

Yes, I know you're taking a detour .. w/all this talk about biking on an erg thread, no less...
Tsk, tsk!! You should be ashamed

There is a new (2011 ranking) 55-59 lwt 5k "age group standard" on the erg as of this evening:
17:56.4 done at a rate of 28 spm in Hartland, Vermont...

Now are you going to let a washed up guy who's scared of you show you up?
... and I spent most of the day picking field stone and building a retaining wall...

See my blog entry for particulars:
Click Mike's Blog

I know you're blathering like crazy to bury this.

I was just thinking the same.

[mikvan52]

Oh.. and your UT2 pace is not 1:48. Sorry.

Yes, it is.

ranger

It's his target pace... never to be achieved... never to become a must do by a date written in stone... no deadline... just something to pontificate about..

"13 spi" is the same.

Cureton will not perform his 2k at BIRC at 13 spi. Let me mention again, I hope the data will be recorded as has been done before: Stroke by stroke we will all see that Rich is capable of sustaining 1:41 pace at 32-34 spm but not at 25 or 26 spm.

Want to see the table again?
It's daunting what wattage needs to be maintained a such low stroke rates.

http://www.c2forum.com/viewtopic.php?f= ... 77#p143677

It is fruitless to try to discuss this anymore here. Cureton will not elaborate on what "I do 20K of it every day" means.
I've always guessed that it is done (if done at all) in one to two minute bursts with 2 -5 minute rests.
Now that he has his HR monitor we could show us this "20K of it" and put some real metrics on what he's doing in fact..
A structured demo via screenshot of a PM4 monitor would go a long way!

We do know that he cannot do even 5k of 13 spi at any rate above an 18...
It's dumb to entertain that any 59 year old lwt can... No graybeards have such capacity. It is physiologically impossible.

Then again, 20 years from now, he'll still be saying 13 spi is my long term goal for a 2k in the 80's age group
And won't that be interesting!

BIRC will indeed be an anti-climax... an "I'm not fully trained" spectacle....
How dull.

Discussions about training and form have fallen off to nil here. It's all about TSO's insincere goals.
This is a useless thread for those who want to learn anything about how to train to be one's best at 2k on the erg.
The emotional tone of the discussion even detracts from this.
Too bad. Rich is fast and could share.. but he doesn't wish to.

In my analysis: What is really going on here is a continuation of a personal vendetta that ranger has against C2.... ever since they didn't put him on the USIRT.... no one wanted to travel w/him... wonder why? He wasn't chosen for "sand lot stick-ball"..

ranger feelings were hurt and he's been angry about it ever since. In a form of emotional self-defense he developed an obstructive and combative hermit-like attitude... Too bad that this ruined his chances to get back to WR status in over 5 years.
I think he could have done it (set a new WR)... But instead he withdrew into himself and decided to ignore anyone's council but his own... PaulS said it over and over... "You're digging a hole, ranger!" IOW: It's your own funeral.
The verdict is nearly complete on ranger's 55-59 years.... = no WR... too bad.
SPI / RWB training did not get ranger there.. FACT.

My positive suggestion is that he listen to the unemotional sides of good advice coming from people like Nav' and leadville... If he does , he'll get the 60-64 WR more easily than beating himself up with 5 more years of exclusive RWB "UT2" training.