Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

That's because you know you will never race one.

Why would I avoid racing 1Ks OTW?

My OTW rowing is coming along nicely.

I will do my first head race two weeks from today, although, I suspect, just conservatively, trying to get down the course without difficulty.

2:00 @ 28 spm?

ranger

[ranger]

The scanty evidence you've provided suggests it's ~ 160 bpm on your bike -- maybe less, depending on exactly what you were doing re pace and cadence and posture.

I did another 90min OTBike this morning.

Yep.

After I am warmed up fully, my HR rides along at 160 bpm.

No, that's not my anaerobic threshold.

It is a real push to row 90min at your anaerobic threshold.

When I cross-train on my bike, I am doing nothing of the sort.

I am just riding comfortably.

My anaerobic threshold would be my HR in a 60min _trial_ OTBike or OTErg.

Different matter entirely.

ranger

[ranger]

It looks like Rocket Roy does something like 27 mph in a 60min trial on his bike.

I don't know what I would do, but at least something like that.

That would be working quite a bit harder than I am now when I ride.

According to the little gizmo on my bike that measures these things, this morning, I was only doing 23 mph.

I was just riding comfortably.

HR 160 bpm.

ranger

[JimR]

... This last year, no one my age and weight came within 20 seconds of my 2K

Far more telling is that you came nowhere near a 6:16 2K in anything you did or attempted to do.

JimR

[JimR]

... If you don't come to BIRC 2010, clearly, you don't want to race head to head ...

You keep repeating this as though the only way for you and Mike to compare times is BIRC ... why not pick a date and time to post IND_V times for say a 5K?

Or are you in fact a coward? And your repeated references to BIRC are just smoke to distract others from your shortcomings???

JimR

[hjs]

... If you don't come to BIRC 2010, clearly, you don't want to race head to head ...

You keep repeating this as though the only way for you and Mike to compare times is BIRC ... why not pick a date and time to post IND_V times for say a 5K?

Or are you in fact a coward? And your repeated references to BIRC are just smoke to distract others from your shortcomings???

JimR

Or even better row on row pro. Then he can row head to head to everybody he wants

[aharmer]

... If you don't come to BIRC 2010, clearly, you don't want to race head to head ...

You keep repeating this as though the only way for you and Mike to compare times is BIRC ... why not pick a date and time to post IND_V times for say a 5K?

Or are you in fact a coward? And your repeated references to BIRC are just smoke to distract others from your shortcomings???

JimR

That's a tremendous idea Jim. Mike, you should pick a date in the near future (any date is fine because we know ranger works out for 5 hours every day) and offer up several workout options. A distance trial, or a specific interval workout. Both are pieces ranger claims he MUST DO while sharpening, and he claims to be in full sharpening mode. As the sportsman you are, you'll give ranger about 10 different pieces to choose from and he can take whichever he thinks is his greatest strength. Even better, let ranger pick any distance or workout he wants. That way he can't use his training disruption as an excuse. Just use whatever sharpening workout you were going to do that day anyway. You'll both perform them and post results here.

Enough of the back and forth bullshit about head-to-head competition. I know Mike would go, are you ready to back up your bullshit ranger? After bleating on and on about wanting Mike head-to-head you can't back out of this one. Way to paint yourself into another corner genius. Obviously you wont accept, leaving you the fool once again. You'll prefer to throw down the gauntlet for a matchup at a venue you know damn well he's not going to and never planned to go to.

[KevJGK]

.. why not pick a date and time to post IND_V times for say a 5K?

What a fantastic idea!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Citroen]

It looks like Rocket Roy does something like 27 mph in a 60min trial on his bike.

Rocket rode a measured 25 miles in 0:55:29 (0:20:34 ahead of his and your age group standard of 1:16:03, age group standard for 60 is 1:16:37) on 18th Sept 2010.

That is 27:04 mph (43.51 Km/h) against the standard of 19.72 mph (31.74 Km/h)

The course is one and a half laps of a 15 mile rolling circuit (not flat, not hilly) between the Farnham and Holybourne roundabouts on the A31 highway at Bentley in Hampshire. The course record for that 25 miles course was set on the same day at 0:46:58 (31.94 mph / 51.4 Km/h) by Alex Dowsett.

You'll never beat that. If you want to fly over for 17th Sept 2011 and I'll let you enter the race head to head against Rocket next year (if you can meet the rules for riding a Cycling Timetrials event as documented at http://ctt.org.uk/Beginners/EnteringTim ... fault.aspx and make sure I have GBP£7.00 (USD$11.07) and an entry form by 7th Sept 2011).

[ranger]

It looks like Rocket Roy does something like 27 mph in a 60min trial on his bike.

Rocket rode a measured 25 miles in 0:55:29 (0:20:34 ahead of his and your age group standard of 1:16:03, age group standard for 60 is 1:16:37) on 18th Sept 2010.

That is 27:04 mph (43.51 Km/h) against the standard of 19.72 mph (31.74 Km/h)

The course is one and a half laps of a 15 mile rolling circuit (not flat, not hilly) between the Farnham and Holybourne roundabouts on the A31 highway at Bentley in Hampshire. The course record for that 25 miles course was set on the same day at 0:46:58 (31.94 mph / 51.4 Km/h) by Alex Dowsett.

You'll never beat that. If you want to fly over for 17th Sept 2011 and I'll let you enter the race head to head against Rocket next year (if you can meet the rules for riding a Cycling Timetrials event as documented at http://ctt.org.uk/Beginners/EnteringTim ... fault.aspx and make sure I have GBP£7.00 (USD$11.07) and an entry form by 7th Sept 2011).

What does "age group standard" mean?

My point is not how fast I can go on a bike but how hard I can work for an hour.

I can work quite a bit harder on my bike than I do now, when I run a HR of 160 bpm.

With a HR of 160 bpm, I am just riding comfortably.

I am not racing.

ranger

[aharmer]

It looks like Rocket Roy does something like 27 mph in a 60min trial on his bike.

Rocket rode a measured 25 miles in 0:55:29 (0:20:34 ahead of his and your age group standard of 1:16:03, age group standard for 60 is 1:16:37) on 18th Sept 2010.

That is 27:04 mph (43.51 Km/h) against the standard of 19.72 mph (31.74 Km/h)

The course is one and a half laps of a 15 mile rolling circuit (not flat, not hilly) between the Farnham and Holybourne roundabouts on the A31 highway at Bentley in Hampshire. The course record for that 25 miles course was set on the same day at 0:46:58 (31.94 mph / 51.4 Km/h) by Alex Dowsett.

You'll never beat that. If you want to fly over for 17th Sept 2011 and I'll let you enter the race head to head against Rocket next year (if you can meet the rules for riding a Cycling Timetrials event as documented at http://ctt.org.uk/Beginners/EnteringTim ... fault.aspx and make sure I have GBP£7.00 (USD$11.07) and an entry form by 7th Sept 2011).

Ranger could equal that without much difficulty. Because in his world, riding in his basement on a trainer with no road or air resistance to deal with and no elevation change of any kind is the same as going out into the real world and actually doing it.

[ranger]

... This last year, no one my age and weight came within 20 seconds of my 2K

Far more telling is that you came nowhere near a 6:16 2K in anything you did or attempted to do.

JimR

I didn't attempt to row 6:16.

I didn't even sharpen.

I raced at max drag.

Etc.

Completely different story this year.

ranger

[ranger]

Because in his world, riding in his basement on a trainer with no road or air resistance to deal with and no elevation change of any kind is the same as going out into the real world and actually doing it.

No, as I have mentioned, I do indeed ride on the road, too, and I have checked my speed there.

ranger

[ranger]

Ranger could equal that without much difficulty.

That is not the issue.

The issue is whether I can run a HR of 172 bpm for extended periods, such as an hour, demonstrating that 172 bpm is my anaerobic threshold, not 160 bpm.

Doesn't matter how I do it--biking, erging, rowing OTW, running, etc.

ranger

[ranger]

You keep repeating this as though the only way for you and Mike to compare times is BIRC

Yep.

That's the last race before I turn 60, and the first time I will be sharpened and ready to race since 2003.

For WIRC 2011, Mike and I will be in different age divisions.

Mike is younger than I am.

Mike doesn't care about time trials.

He wants to race, face to face, head to head.

He thinks that racing head to head is an entirely different situation than racing against the clock.

For Mike, erging is not against the clock.

Erging is against those who are physically present in your race at a race venue.

ranger