Ranger's training thread

[NavigationHazard]

My maxHR is still 190 bpm.

That's pretty high for a 60-year-old with a resting HR of 43 spm who can row 1:48 @ 23 spm (12 SPI) on the erg, steady state, for as long as he wants, with a HR of around 150 bpm.

ranger

No it isn't; you're not 60; no you can't, at least not continuously.

[PaulH]

Quite possibly, but your sharpening only has a month at most to run. I imagine its important to separate out the avenues for improvement that are open to you, so you don't get confused about your potential performance.

This is October 2nd.

BIRC is November 21st.

Why is there only a month left for sharpening?

Do you think I should stop sharpening on November 2nd?

ranger

I didn't say there's only a month left *for* sharpening, I said that sharpening only has a month left to run. As you know, everyone sharpens in about the same way for about the same effect. In your case, as you've said yourself many times, this takes about a month or a little more. You've now been sharpening for over a week, so in about 3 weeks time sharpening will have run its course for you. I imagine you'll still be able to improve after that, based on underlying fitness and technique, but those gains won't/can't come from sharpening.

[rjw]

As it turns out, I don't get to a mamimum temperature until about 45min, but from then on my HR flatlines at 161 bpm.



So for the last 45min of my 90min rides, my HR is above 160 bpm.

Wow.

By the forumula, 220- age, the projected maxHR for a 60-year-old is 160 bpm.

Mike VB, who is a year and a half younger than I am, has a maxHR is 163 bpm.

And I am doing this biking for three hours a day, just to relax and lose weight, between bouts of harder work OTErg and OTW?

Hmm.

Yep.

Workin' hard, I'd say.

No wonder I don't think I need any more low rate rowing.

No wonder I always think that my cross-training is the most important thing I do, that it keeps me feeling young.

I am cross-training at relatively high UT1.

My anaerobic threshold is 172 bpm.

Top-end UT2 is 145 bpm.

Rich, this is all wishful thinking on your part. Your AT is no longer at 172. Given the above dat is is highly likely that it is in the 160's.

Also, you continually ignore stroke volume when you compare to others.

Keep this about you and keep it to the facts. Fact is that working hard, sweating freely and doing a pace that you wouldn't want to do for 90 minutes your HR leveled at 161, a more realistic "estimate' of your AT.

Get over it, you like the rest of us are aging!

[ranger]

n your case, as you've said yourself many times, this takes about a month or a little more.

No, I said it takes a couple of months, if you are concentrating exclusively on sharpening.

Now you are _really_ making stuff up.

ranger

[ranger]

Given the above data is is highly likely that it is in the 160's

Oh, perhaps,

But I doubt it.

We''ll have to wait to see.

When I do an all out 60min trial OTErg (or OTBike, for that matter), I'll wear a HR monitor.

That will tell the story.

60min is done right at your anaerobic threshold.

Top-end UT1.

BTW, last fall, early on, in November, I was doing 100min stepping routines where my HR was in the 170s for the last 30min.

ranger

[ranger]

Also, you continually ignore stroke volume when you compare to others.

No, I don't.

I would guess that Mike VB and I have exactly the same stroke volume.

Thus, our low resting HRs.

OTErg, Mike and I row the same paces at the same HRs.

For instance, we both row 1:48 pace OTErg with a HR of around 150 bpm.

But Mike's maxHR is 163 bpm; mine is 190 bpm.

Pretty important difference, no?

Mike's anaerobic threshold is 145 bpm. So 150 bpm is AT.

My anaerobic threshold is 172 bpm. So AT is 175 bpm.

ranger

[PaulH]

n your case, as you've said yourself many times, this takes about a month or a little more.

No, I said it takes a couple of months, if you are concentrating exclusively on sharpening.

Now you are _really_ making stuff up.

And yet:

I usually get a dozen seconds or so over 2K from a month or so of hard sharpening

and

_Everyone_ sharpens in pretty much the same way for pretty much the same benefit: a dozen seconds over 2K.

So no, you said it takes a month or so, and you didn't mention any qualification to the sharpening. What is it I'm making up? Are you not a member of the group of humans defined by 'everyone'?

[bellboy]

Regular readers of Concept's version of Fantasy Island please remember that Von Manbatt actually said he was going to be sharpening for SIX months not one. However this may have been said after half a bottle of tequila at 4 in the morning. Its when the bitterness and bile are at their zenith

[aharmer]

Regular readers of Concept's version of Fantasy Island please remember that Von Manbatt actually said he was going to be sharpening for SIX months not one. However this may have been said after half a bottle of tequila at 4 in the morning. Its when the bitterness and bile are at their zenith

Good point. It's funny, I wont watch things like The Bachelor or Jersey Shore with my wife, but I read this. If she only knew what a hypocrite I really was

Ranger, it's a bit unclear to me but I think you're in full sharpening mode now. You've said all along that once you're into full sharpening mode you'll be posting workout details left and right.

You name all the workouts and distance trials and specific times that must be hit to achieve your goals, but then choose not to do the workouts that you must do to achieve your goals. Not what most rational people would consider solid preparation but I'm sure you have your reasons.

Are you not in full sharpening mode? Or are you in full sharpening mode without doing measurable workouts? Or are you doing measurable workouts in full sharpening mode but just not posting the data here?

I know the answer, and know you will not post a workout here in the next 7 weeks, just hoping to get your clarification on why.

[BrianStaff]

This is October 2nd.

BIRC is November 21st.

Head of the Grand is Oct 17th - I know you're busy, but you haven't registered yet

[BrianStaff]

As it turns out, I don't get to a mamimum temperature until about 45min, but from then on my HR flatlines at 161 bpm.

mamimum? - is that a new word from the world of poetry

[mikvan52]

Also, you continually ignore stroke volume when you compare to others.

No, I don't.

I would guess that Mike VB and I have exactly the same stroke volume.

Thus, our low resting HRs.

This is a "troll" statement. Ranger just wants to get a rise...
He knows very well that stroke volume is not determined by extrapolating from HR.

Give it a rest, Rich... Repeating lies over and over doesn't make them true statements.

[Bob S.]

As it turns out, I don't get to a mamimum temperature until about 45min, but from then on my HR flatlines at 161 bpm.

mamimum? - is that a new word from the world of poetry

Come, come, Brian - isn't that taking nit-picking to the extreme to point out a minor typo? Especially when you overlooked a really juicy plum in the same line:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatline

Bob S.

[ranger]

Fact is that working hard, sweating freely and doing a pace that you wouldn't want to do for 90 minutes

Say what?

This is just cross-training.

I am doing it for 90min twice a day--_in addition to all of my rowing, both OTErg and OTW_.

This isn't racing.

ranger

[BrianStaff]

As it turns out, I don't get to a mamimum temperature until about 45min, but from then on my HR flatlines at 161 bpm.

mamimum? - is that a new word from the world of poetry

Come, come, Brian - isn't that taking nit-picking to the extreme to point out a minor typo? Especially when you overlooked a really juicy plum in the same line:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatline

Bob S.

Ha! ha! - good catch...."...in which the brain shows no electrical activity (brain death)"