Ranger's training thread

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » September 29th, 2010, 10:53 am

lancs wrote:
ranger wrote:The most notable fact about my sub-6:30 row at 55 is not that I did it as a heavyweight but that I didn't sharpen to prepare for it but nonetheless, pulled it, steadily, at 12 SPI, kicking it in over the last 300m, 1:34 @ 34 spm.
As I recall, video footage of the row at the time confirmed your rate to be higher than this and the SPI was calculated to be a more mortal 10.5.

The problem with the amount of lies you tell Prof is that it's so hard for you to keep track of them.
No, there was no video of my Baltimore row in 2006.

I wish!

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by hjs » September 29th, 2010, 11:05 am

ranger wrote:
lancs wrote:
ranger wrote:The most notable fact about my sub-6:30 row at 55 is not that I did it as a heavyweight but that I didn't sharpen to prepare for it but nonetheless, pulled it, steadily, at 12 SPI, kicking it in over the last 300m, 1:34 @ 34 spm.
As I recall, video footage of the row at the time confirmed your rate to be higher than this and the SPI was calculated to be a more mortal 10.5.

The problem with the amount of lies you tell Prof is that it's so hard for you to keep track of them.
No, there was no video of my Baltimore row in 2006.

I wish!

ranger
No but eye witnesses. You went like crazy to get a Pb. Understandable, you where close, but you failed and fell of the erg half dead.
You best erg race ever, and it will stay that way. You rated 31/32 so indeed close to 12 spi.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » September 29th, 2010, 11:41 am

hjs wrote:You rated 31/32 so indeed close to 12 spi.
Yes to this, but not to "going crazy for a pb," etc.

My goal was to qualify for WIRC--as a 55s heavyweight.

The 55s hwt qualification time was 6:32.

So, I just held 1:38 @ 31 spm until 1700m, and then kicked.

The strategy worked.

I qualified, pulling 6:29.7.

You are not "going crazy," if you are a lightweight, rowing flat splits, rating 31 spm, and then have enough left at 1700m to kick it in at 3 spms higher and three seconds per 500m faster, holding your stroking power constant.

That's an _enormously_ controlled race.

When I finished, I just stood up and walked away, chatting with the folks behind me.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by hjs » September 29th, 2010, 12:05 pm

ranger wrote:
hjs wrote:You rated 31/32 so indeed close to 12 spi.
Yes to this, but not to "going crazy for a pb," etc.

My goal was to qualify for WIRC--as a 55s heavyweight.

The 55s hwt qualification time was 6:32.


ranger

that's not what the witnesses saw :wink:


And knowing you and telling the truth :lol:

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » September 29th, 2010, 12:24 pm

hjs wrote:
ranger wrote:
hjs wrote:You rated 31/32 so indeed close to 12 spi.
Yes to this, but not to "going crazy for a pb," etc.

My goal was to qualify for WIRC--as a 55s heavyweight.

The 55s hwt qualification time was 6:32.


ranger

that's not what the witnesses saw :wink:


And knowing you and telling the truth :lol:
Eye-witnesses saw a lightweight "going like crazy" holding 31 spm, flat on 1:38, for 1700m, and then raising the rate to 34 spm over the last 300m?

Go figure.

For a lightweight, something over 40 spm is "going crazy."

Mike VB "goes crazy" at the end of his 2Ks, breaking his technique down to 8.7 SPI, etc.

In the Baltimore row, I just kept pulling 12 SPI, right to the end, raising the rate.

So there was no indication of distress at all.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » September 29th, 2010, 12:39 pm

BTW, to prepare for the Baltimore row, I still didn't do any standard sharpening (Level 1 or Level 2) workouts--8 x 500, 4 x 1K, 4 x 2K, etc.), although I _did_ do some sprinting (1' on, 1' off) and AT work (e.g., low rate 2Ks).

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by lancs » September 29th, 2010, 12:41 pm

Anyway, regardless whether you are lying through your back teeth or not (as usual) all this remains moot since you'll never come close to a 6:29 again..

And if I ever have enough time on my hands, I'll try and search the old threads for that video clip of you at Baltimore..

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by snowleopard » September 29th, 2010, 1:01 pm

ranger wrote:Eye-witnesses saw a lightweight "going like crazy"
They saw a hwt :roll:

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » September 29th, 2010, 3:03 pm

Thanks for all the notes on clarity today! :
ranger wrote:Gorgeous fall morning here in Ann Arbor.

Calm winds, brilliantly clear
ranger wrote:It looks pretty clear now. Nice.
but 6:16 is clearly not on your horizon though, ranger.... :D as are any 2k times faster than 6:41.0...

BTW:
Did you use anything resembling your DLS 13spi stroke on the water today?
How many catfish did you disturb on the bottom of the Huron?

Why no video of you sculling this year? Perhaps Byron will get us some from the "Grand" finale... B)
http://pond.dnr.cornell.edu/nyfish/icta ... llhead.jpg

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » September 29th, 2010, 3:34 pm

mikvan52 wrote:But 6:16 is clearly not on your horizon though, ranger
There is no evidence for this at all.

All of my little soldiers are lining up beautifully.

I am in great shape.

Weight is great.

No injuries, no sickness, no staleness, high spirits.

Cross-training routines are all in place as a daily regimen.

I have no problem with four hours of exercise a day: OTErg, OTBike, OTW.

Stroke is set.

Drag is 118 df.

Low rate/UT2 rowing is entirely done.

UT1 is 1:46 @ 24 spm (12.2 SPI).

Race pace (1:34 @ 34 spm, 12.5 SPI) rowing has begun.

2-to-1 ratio.

I now have this 2-to-1 ratio playing in my head all day long.

and ONE-//-and-TWO-and-THREE

legs-arms // recover-recover-recover-recover

Done for 213 strokes, that's 6:16.

Leisurely stuff.

Just take good strokes.

Rate 34 spm.

Rest a lot (1.2 seconds) between strokes (.6 seconds).

Six months of sharpening from now until WIRC.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » September 29th, 2010, 3:44 pm

My training is now (pretty much) professional.

No one (of any age) does more, or better.

No 60s rower has ever put themselves in this position.

Only one 60s rower (of any weight) has ever pulled sub-6:30 OTErg: Paul Hendershott, and he pulled only 6:23.8.

And Paul is, what, 6'4", 230 lbs.?

No 60s lwt has ever pulled better than 6:42.

In four months, I will be 60 years old.

I suspect that I will be peaking right around then, on my 60th birthday: January 25, 2011.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » September 29th, 2010, 3:54 pm

lancs wrote:Anyway, regardless whether you are lying through your back teeth or not (as usual) all this remains moot since you'll never come close to a 6:29 again..

And if I ever have enough time on my hands, I'll try and search the old threads for that video clip of you at Baltimore..
There is no video clip from Baltimore in 2006.

The clip is by Tinpusher from 2009 at St. Catharines.

I think that _all_ of my races this season (2011) will be faster than my Baltimore row in 2006.

I will now be rowing pretty darn well (12.5 SPI) at low drag (118 df.).

And I will be fully sharpened for the first time since 2003.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Byron Drachman » September 29th, 2010, 4:00 pm

MikeVB wrote:Why no video of you sculling this year? Perhaps Byron will get us some from the "Grand" finale...
Hi Mike,
I thought I might see Ranger this morning but he rowed in Ann Arbor instead.
[trash talk]If he does the Head of the Grand I should have plenty of time to go to the boat house, grab my camera, and shoot some video as he comes into view, no matter which of us starts first.[/trash talk]

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mrfit » September 29th, 2010, 4:01 pm

ranger wrote:My training is now (pretty much) professional.

No one (of any age) does more, or better.

No 60s rower has ever put themselves in this position.

Only one 60s rower (of any weight) has ever pulled sub-6:30 OTErg: Paul Hendershott.

And Paul is, what, 6'4", 230 lbs.?

No 60s lwt has ever pulled better than 6:42.

In four months, I will be 60 years old.

I suspect that I will be peaking right around then, on my 60th birthday: January 25, 2011.

ranger

Maybe Carly Simon can sing about you while you adore yourself in the mirror. Which song though? "Nobody Does it Better" or "You're So Vain"?

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » September 29th, 2010, 4:04 pm

snowleopard wrote:
ranger wrote:Eye-witnesses saw a lightweight "going like crazy"
They saw a hwt :roll:
Sure, but not "going crazy."

That's absurd.

They saw a heavyweight, pulling 12 SPI from start to finish, rating 31 spm for 1700m, in complete control, raising the rate to 34 spm over the last 300m, technique steady, entirely in place to the finish.

What else could you expect from someone who didn't even sharpen for the race?

It is impossible to "go crazy" in a 2K without bringing up your anaerobic capacities with a couple months of hard sharpening.

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