Ranger's training thread

[macroth]

does catching the rhythm of a 34spm racing stroke constitute sharpening?

No, but it is more important than anything else you might do during sharpening.

So this haphazard, disorganized, unmeasured rythm-catching business is more important than sharpening, but when you fail to break 6:30 at BIRC you will claim that you were unprepared because you didn't sharpen.

[ranger]

In this sport, if you are racing at 34 spm in a 2-to-1 ratio, you are doing _very_ well.

ranger

[ranger]

So this haphazard, disorganized, unmeasured rythm-catching business is more important than sharpening,

Working hard, rowing badly, is both stupid and futile.

If you do this, you're just a loser.

You sharpen badly.

If you catch the rhythm of rowing well, you sharpen well.

And beat the hell out of everyone.

You're a winner.

ranger

[mikvan52]

my daily UT1 rowing.....


I do 20K of it every day.

1:44 @ 24 spm

I am now doing this rowing well below my anaerobic threshold.

We've been around and around on this before.
If you do 20k of 13 spi ===> 1:44 pace @ 24: ...just show it and/or state the distances you do w/o breaks. Otherwise you are just a talker...

Likewise with 2 x 2k / 8' rest at 1:45 pace at what YOU say is UT... You cannot show this because you cannot do it.

Here's the table of 13 SPI another time:

a 13 spi reference chart for each pace:


All the following situations calculate out to 13 spi
1:45 ......=> 23.2 spm....=> 7:00 2k
1:44.......=> 23.9 spm....=> 6:56 2k
1:43.......=> 24.6 spm....=> 6:52 2k
1:42.......=> 25.4 spm.... => 6:48 2k
1:41.......=> 26.1 spm.... => 6:44 2k
1:40.......=> 26.9 spm.... => 6:40 2k





1:34.4........=>32.0 spm......=>6:17.6 2k

Kind of hard if you cannot break 1:30 for 500 meters right now

My contention remains:
neither ranger nor any 55-59 yr old lwt will ever approach these pace/rate combinations at UT for sustained distances

Talk is cheap.

[macroth]

Working hard, rowing badly, is both stupid and futile.

If you do this, you're just a loser.

You sharpen badly.

If you catch the rhythm of rowing well, you sharpen well.

And beat the hell out of everyone.

You're a winner.

ranger

I see. So after 7 years of learning to row, now that your technique is perfect and you row perfectly (13 SPI, 118 df ), are we to expect 7 years of rhythm catching before you start sharpening? You're full speed ahead for the 65's hwt WR, aren't you?

[ranger]

Mike--

Pulling 8.7 SPI, you have to rate 44 spm to pull 1:34.

That's incredibly bad.

For a lightweight, rowing well is 13 SPI, not 8.7.

You miss it by 50%.

ranger

[ranger]

Mike--

In rowing, being fast is just rowing well.

So when you train, turn off the clock.

Forget about it.

Just row well.

ranger

[mikvan52]

Your attempt to deflect this discussion is, again, weak.
It's about any 55-59 lwt ever being able to maintain 13 spi for 2k below anaerobic threshold.

It is most certainly not about whether you do 20k of a few strokes of 13 spi at whatever rate and pace w/many breaks.

[macroth]

You sharpen badly.

Did you sharpen badly in 2003? You rowed like shit, remember? How many seconds over 2K did sharpening badly yield?

You know what you're doing again? You're making excuses. You're afraid you might not beat 6:38 at BIRC. Rather than giving it your best shot and sharpening (well or badly), you would rather pontificate about Lord Rhythm and play around in your basement. You would rather race "unprepared" (liar!) and fail miserably with a boatload of excuses at the ready than prepare for your last chance at the 55s lwt record and risk failing by just a bit.

Will you consider yourself a winner when (if!) you eek out a 60s WR in 2011? Will you say "6:4x is just about WR pace for 55 lwts, even though I am now 60"?

Don't be a coward, Rich. Train hard for BIRC. It's your last chance and you know it. Give it your best shot.

[PaulH]

You don't know your arse from your elbow

Very true in so many fields, and I don't try to hide it.

and aren't doing yourself what you are (presumptuously) judging.

I'm doing *exactly* what I'm judging - you're making a prediction about your sharpening, and so am I. That's what I'm judging, not your performance. You're not actually rowing 8x500, and neither am I. The only difference between us, in this regard, is that I'm not claiming I will.

[ranger]

Pulling at 8.7 SPI, Mike VB has to rate 44 spm in a 1-to-1 ratio to get to 1:34.

That's incredibly bad.

For lightweights, rowing well is 13 SPI, not 8.7.

At 13 SPI, you get to 1:34 @ 32 spm in a 2-to-1 ratio.

ranger

[ranger]

You don't know your arse from your elbow

Very true in so many fields, and I don't try to hide it.

and aren't doing yourself what you are (presumptuously) judging.

I'm doing *exactly* what I'm judging - you're making a prediction about your sharpening, and so am I. That's what I'm judging, not your performance. You're not actually rowing 8x500, and neither am I. The only difference between us, in this regard, is that I'm not claiming I will.

Give it up, dude.

You're a lame, and a fool to boot.

Yikes.

ranger

[ranger]

Did you sharpen badly in 2003?

Indeed.

In 2003, rowing well (13 SPI) at low drag (118 df.), I might have pulled a lwt 6:10.

ranger

[mikvan52]

So, once again, another early morning will end w/o a real discussion going on: Just claims and taunts.... (blather by all involved)

RIch: would you do me a favor?

Just post one shed of evidence that you can maintain 13 spi for 2k and show a fast time... I'm not requesting that you be at weight or fully trained.

Is your answer "1. Yes, I'll do this today." or "2. No, I won't do this today."

Look back in your 7 years of training... There must be something!

[redzone]

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