Ranger's training thread

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » September 25th, 2010, 2:55 pm

mikvan52 wrote:Odd that ranger thinks ergers get awards for spi or restricted rate pieces.
Not a-wards, re-wards.

Do the pieces, and you will know where you stand.

I am now rowing at 26 spm, free rate, and 32 spm, free rate.

This work will lead to some other pieces that you can't do as I can:

5K, 6K, 30min, 10K, 60min, HM.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » September 25th, 2010, 2:57 pm

What are you afraid of, Mike?

Why don't you just do the pieces and see where you stand?

Why don't you just come to BIRC and race?

Why...

Puzzling.

You're full of shit, dude.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by NavigationHazard » September 25th, 2010, 3:11 pm

feckandclueless wrote:I am now rowing at 26 spm, free rate, and 32 spm, free rate.
One instance, maybe it's a typo or inadvertent error. Two and it's a cognitive failure.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » September 25th, 2010, 3:21 pm

Truth is:

Mike VB _knows_, oh how well, that he can't do 500r30 any better than 1:37.

Mike VB _knows_, oh how well, that he can't do 1Kr24 any better than 1:45.

Mike VB _knows_, oh how well, that if he sat down and did a 2K without sharpening for it he wouldn't break 7:00.

So, Mike knows _exactly_ where he stands with respect to what I can do.

Nothing could be clearer.

How much is Mike off the pace?

About seven seconds per 500m.

Sure, on a good day, at the top of his game, Mike can pull 1:41/6:44 for 2K.

But if I can get all of my soldiers lined up for review, I am capable of pulling 1:34/6:16.

There is an easy way for Mike to show what he can do OTErg.

And it's coming right up.

BIRC 2010.

But the chicken shit will never show.

He is just all hot air.

Nothin'

My entry is in.

My flights are booked.

My hotel is the Crowne Plaza.

But where Mike?

Mike?

Mike?

Talkin'.

To himself, about himself.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by rjw » September 25th, 2010, 3:36 pm

ranger wrote:
So, Mike knows _exactly_ where he stands with respect to what I can do.
Nice try Rich as you don't even know what you can do. The problem is that once you do, we will know what you do and then the "house-of-cards" starts to fall. However, you do hold the record for stringing this one out, 8 years and counting, without doing. A nice record and Mike knows exactly where he stands with respect to that.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » September 25th, 2010, 4:07 pm

Mike VB is just a "man in a straw hat," spouting "agarian lore."

What I am about to do is _radical_.

Watch out for the carrot, Mike!

"that which it is impossible to force, it is impossible /to hinder."

Marianne Moore will tell you about it.

Radical

Tapering
to a point, conserving everything,
this carrot is predestined to be thick.
The world is
but a circumstance, a mis-
erable corn patch for its feet. With ambition, im-
agination, outgrowth.

nutriment,
with everything crammed belligerent-
ly inside itself, its fibres breed mon-
opoly--
a taillike, wedge-shaped engine with the
secret of expansion, fused with intensive heat to
the color of the set-

ing sun and
stiff. For the man in the straw hat, stand-
ing still and turning to look back at it
as much as
to say my happiest moment has
been funereal in comparison with this, the condi-
tions of life pre-

determined
slavery to be easy, inclined
away from progress, and freedom, hard. For
it? Dismiss
agrarian lore; it tells him this:
that which its is impossible to force, it is impossible
to hinder.

--Marianne Moore

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » September 25th, 2010, 4:10 pm

NavigationHazard wrote:
feckandclueless wrote:I am now rowing at 26 spm, free rate, and 32 spm, free rate.
One instance, maybe it's a typo or inadvertent error. Two and it's a cognitive failure.
No, it's not.

"Free rate" just means "stroking naturally."

"Rate-restricted" means "pulling unnaturally hard."

In the Wolverine Plan, at level 4, 26 spm is "rate-restricted."

It is not "free rate."

Mike C. only has you do it for 500m at a time in any 10-minute sequence, and even so, only a few times a season, just before you race.

For a 6:16 2K, Mike C.'s level 4 pace at 26 spm is 1:38.

14.5 SPI

At 26 spm, pulling naturally, free rate, Mike VB pulls 1:50.

10 SPI

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by PaulH » September 25th, 2010, 4:26 pm

ranger wrote: Why don't you just do the pieces and see where you stand?
Why don't you? Have you done a sharpening piece yet?

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by NavigationHazard » September 25th, 2010, 4:31 pm

feckandclueless wrote:"Free rate" just means, stroking naturally.
Ah, yes. "Free rate" = 26 spm. "Free" = "specified." In the same sense that "lightweight" means "heavyweight," "UT" means "anaerobic," "distance" means "with breaks," "I will" means "I won't," "I am 60 years old" means "I'm 59," "this fall" means "never," "smooth as butter" means "lumpy as 180 pounds of eels in a 165 pound bag," etc....

As for the Maryanne Moore poem: are we to understand that you're comparing yourself favorably to a yellow vegetable? I should think that carrots, if sentient, would be offended. Surely you're more of a Potato Faced Blind Man from Rootabaga County: "...when he needs a result or screenshot not yet seen or heard of, he can make it for himself and give it a character so it is real to him, and when he talks about it and tells its story, it is like telling about one of his own children...."
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » September 25th, 2010, 5:43 pm

PaulH wrote:
ranger wrote: Why don't you just do the pieces and see where you stand?
Why don't you? Have you done a sharpening piece yet?
I have done the pieces that show my potential.

I am now sharpening, which will lead to other pieces that show my potential.

If he is worried about it, what I am asking Mike is why he doesn't do the pieces I have done to show _his_ potential relative to mine.

If he did, he would find that his potential is about seven seconds per 500m off of mine.

Enough said.

I will be happy to be shown otherwise.

But there's not much chance of that.

I will also be happy to race Mike at BIRC.

But there is not much chance of that, either.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » September 25th, 2010, 7:00 pm

ranger wrote:
mikvan52 wrote:Odd that ranger thinks ergers get awards for spi or restricted rate pieces.

I am now rowing at .... 32 spm, free rate.
Right! :lol: :lol: :lol:

32 spm and 12.5 spi :lol: :lol: :lol:
That would require 1:36.2 pace...

20 strokes and then a break... :lol: :lol: :lol:
ranger redefines UT training...
using the CP system and nothing else...

Hoisted by your own petard

You cannot maintain 32 spm for 2k and still have your magic spi.. which we now notice is dropping at a rate of 0.5 every six months...

Words escape me Rich! Listen to yourself: your quite humorous!!
:lol: :lol:

Oh, but you say you can....
Then post it...
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » September 25th, 2010, 7:21 pm

Rich:
Your are indeed approaching sixty. Most all of here have given up hope of a 55-59 light WR from you.
I, and possibly many others, would like to hear from your lilting tongue when we be you first all out assault on the 60-64 lightweight WR.

Will you go to Boston regardless of whether you get the free ride from C2 or not? That was really lame when you wouldn't go last year. Now you are going to BIRC on your own dollar... more expensive... inconsistent with your no show at Crash-B last year...

I am reminded of part of a speech in As You Like It about the stages of a man's life.
To me "the sixth age" equates to you in your sixties:

"The sixth age shifts
Into the lean and slipper'd pantaloon,
With spectacles on nose and pouch on side,
His youthful hose, well saved, a world too wide
For his shrunk shank; and his big manly voice,
Turning again toward childish treble, pipes
And whistles in his sound."

Your tenor has turned a "childish treble" recently... It used to be somewhat more manly and convinced some. Now, it seems, you can no longer even convince yourself with your shrill brags and taunts.
All the while, your logic of failed rhetoric slips and skids towards a precipice of your own design.

My advice to you is to prepare and perform..before it is too late... All would respect you for that small thing.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » September 25th, 2010, 7:28 pm

mikvan52 wrote:Rich:
Your are indeed approaching sixty. Most all of here have given up hope of a 55-59 light WR from you.
I, and possibly many others, would like to hear from your lilting tongue when we be you first all out assault on the 60-64 lightweight WR.

Will you go to Boston regardless of whether you get the free ride from C2 or not? That was really lame when you wouldn't go last year. Now you are going to BIRC on your own dollar... more expensive... inconsistent with your no show at Crash-B last year...

I am reminded of part of a speech in As You Like It about the stages of a man's life.
To me "the sixth age" equates to you in your sixties:

"The sixth age shifts
Into the lean and slipper'd pantaloon,
With spectacles on nose and pouch on side,
His youthful hose, well saved, a world too wide
For his shrunk shank; and his big manly voice,
Turning again toward childish treble, pipes
And whistles in his sound."

Your tenor has turned a "childish treble" recently... It used to be somewhat more manly and convinced some. Now, it seems, you can no longer even convince yourself with your shrill brags and taunts.
All the while, your logic of failed rhetoric slips and skids towards a precipice of your own design.

My advice to you is to prepare and perform..before it is too late... All would respect you for that small thing.

:D :D

No response.

Chicken shit---to the end.

Oh well.

Now we know about Mike VB's backbone.

Rubber.

Jelly.

Nothin'.

No trials.

No BIRC.

Nothin'.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » September 25th, 2010, 7:36 pm

I take it back about the "lilting tongue"....

Oh, dog catcher?
There's a rabid one in our yard.
Would you bring your truck with the metal cage on back?

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » September 25th, 2010, 7:44 pm

Hope to keep things friendly with you... at least on the surface...

Would It interest you to know that I am racing Jim Dietz, Greg Stone, Jack Meyer and others at 10:10 am tomorrow morning....
The distance: 3 miles (stake race)
The type of rowing: On the water ; single scull.

The age grouping is 55-64 open weight

Do you still own a boat? :P
3 Crash-B hammers
American 60's Lwt. 2k record (6:49) •• set WRs for 60' & FM •• ~ now surpassed
repeat combined Masters Lwt & Hwt 1x National Champion E & F class
62 yrs, 160 lbs, 6' ...

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