Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

In 2007, Neil Geer did 1:37.7/6:31.3 for 2K and 1:40 for 1Kr24.

Right about the same relationship between his his times.

1Kr24 for Neil is 2K + 2.3.

ranger

[PaulH]

Have you tried those three tests to see if you are ready to suggest the possibility of 6:16 for you, too.

Have you? Not now, obviously, but say since the US has had a black president?

All three were done, as I went along.

Who knows for sure, but it is my guess that anyone who can do the three can pull 6:20 (or under) for 2K.

Happy to have someone prove me wrong.

Just post the screen shots.

ranger

OK, so the answer is no, thanks. Have you actually done a sharpening workout yet?

[hjs]

If you did indeed perform these rows (as distinct from simply reporting them) in 2007 and you parade them as evidence of your ability to row 6:20 or faster, how is it that in the intervening years you haven't managed a sub 6:30 row?

I haven't been training to race.

And I have been working on technique.

I made a lot of progress up to 2007 learning how to use my legs, but I didn't put everything together with my technique until recently, when I dropped the drag and learned how to relax my shoulders at the catch.

Now, I am sharpening, too.

ranger

Sharpening now ? next year this time you will again say you did not, just like every other year.




About rate 24 work, although it may seem that rate 24 is a lot below free rate, the extra pace one will get free rate is not that much. If for instance you look at this ctc. http://www.c2ctc.com/index.php?c_id=35 2k rate 24

and this ctc http://www.c2ctc.com/index.php?c_id=14 1k rate 24

You can see what people can do on this rate 24 work and on their free rate work. And many people don,t even do maximum efforts in the ctc, so that makes the difference between their ranked free rate work even less.

A 2k at rate 24 is on average done between 10/15 seconds above free rate work. If you look at the results of the ctc above you will find that, and by that I don,t mean picking one example, like ranger will do, but looking at the big picture.

The 1k r24 ctc.
First Ranger did this row far above 75 kg, second I did that same ctc in 3.10.0 (rate just below 24 spm) 2 weeks later I did a 6.23.0 2k.
So thinking that a 1.38.x 1k (his rate a bit above rate 24) would give him a sub 6.20 2k is ridiculous. Certainly given the fact that he was very well prepared for doing low rate stuff, he worked hard on his spi rowing with breaks method, so his free rate would have not given him much extra. At best he would have been just below 6.40 weighing far above the limite. So now three years older, he will be slower and if he gets down to sub 75, he will again be slower.

He also talks about rockets 1k that ctc, but what he does not tell is that Roy always did the ctc just to get a score on board, so his score was certainly not a 100% max effort. Dangy, I am always lying, does make it like it was a full effort, a pure lie he knows it was not!

So there is no comparing between his and Roys effort

ah the good old, posting as fast a you can to get a posting out of the way tactic.......

[macroth]

rangerboy, your latest unsharpened* 2Ks have been 6:41 and over, not 6:30. You pitfiul liar.


*In reality, all your training for the past 7 years has been "sharpening light", ie RWB at intensities much higher than what you think they are, much closer to 2k pace than marathon pace (as evidenced by your utter inability to even row 10k straight at those paces).** You never do what can be called distance rowing, because said distance never exceeds a few hundred meters at a time. Just endless fartleks, gasping for air and sweating buckets, year in, year out. And let's not forget that it takes you several races to reach your peak, with 6:4x.x being your best all out performance at the end of the season.

** Speaking of which, are you going to sharpen through to BIRC without having done a single distance row? No predictive 5k, 10k, 30', 60', HM, FM? Blasphemy!

You're right, Henry. Since rangerboy keeps saying the same things over and over, so should we.

[ranger]

The 60s lwt WR for 1K is 3:14.4.

1:37.2

ranger

[ranger]

OK, so the answer is no, thanks.

No, the answer is yes.

ranger

[whp4]

OK, so the answer is no, thanks.

No, the answer is yes.

ranger

Reading comprehension failure, or outright lie? Paul asked if you had done any of those pieces since Obama's inauguration. You have not.

[ranger]

OK, so the answer is no, thanks.

No, the answer is yes.

ranger

Reading comprehension failure, or outright lie? Paul asked if you had done any of those pieces since Obama's inauguration. You have not.

No need to do rate restricted trials or 2K trials right now.

These rows were done in the flow of my training.

But they were done.

I am now doing free rate rowing at 27 spm and 34 spm (118 df.).

3-to-1 ratio and 2-to-1 ratio.

These will also lead to trials (HM, 60min, 10K, 30m, 6K, 5K), but not 500r30 and 1Kr24.

ranger

[NavigationHazard]

I am now doing free rate rowing at 26 spm and 32 spm.

Let's play "spot the logical inconsistency".... Hint: it's been bolded....

[hjs]

You are not a quasi-60s lightweight.

So, the comparison to you (and other heavyweights, or younger lightweights) is what is illegitimate.

ranger

As always you don,t comprehand what you are saying. Accourding to this statement the laws of nature do depend on your age


Ps when you erged this 1k you where 56, so fout years decline ahead of you and you where nowhere near lightweight status.

[ranger]

Accourding to this statement the laws of nature do depend on your age. When you erged this 1k you where 56, so fout years decline ahead of you and you where nowhere near lightweight status.

Yep.

When you are training (i.e., getting better) rather than racing, there is certainly no decline with age.

There is improvement with age.

It is just that no one but me trains (rather than racing their training, preparing to race).

In training, everyone avoids their weaknesses and parades their strengths, as you need to do when you sharpen and race.

Bad training.

In fact, no training at all.

Training is an opportunity to get better.

If you just sharpen and race, sharpen and race, over and over, you just get worse.

And worse.

And worse.

And worse.

ranger

[rjw]

Good game Nav,

How about this one?

No need to do rate restricted trials or 2K trials right now.

You have not done any in recent history where recent is less than 3 years! Granted you have raced a couple of times but that is not a trial.

[ranger]

Good game Nav,

How about this one?

No need to do rate restricted trials or 2K trials right now.

You have not done any in recent history where recent is less than 3 years! Granted you have raced a couple of times but that is not a trial.

Yes, I agree.

By training rather than racing, over the last three years, I have gotten quite a bit better.

I now pull 12.5 SPI.

In 2006-2007, I only pulled 12 SPI.

I am now rowing at low drag (118 df.), too, which is much more effective and efficient.

In 2006-2007, I still rowed at high drag.

ranger

[hjs]

Accourding to this statement the laws of nature do depend on your age. When you erged this 1k you where 56, so fout years decline ahead of you and you where nowhere near lightweight status.

Yep.

When you are training (i.e., getting better) rather than racing, there is certainly no decline with age.

There is improvement with age.

ranger

I often wonder why the don,t put you in the nuthouse


Although strictly speaking you are right. You don "improve", you improve like any other human above 35/40 years with a minus

I really can,t wait to hear about your first race, miles away from any of your "targets"

[mikvan52]

Let me pretend to be ranger:

"I would be happy to have" ranger erg five thousand meters (5K) at any reported weight w/any effort while wearing a hr monitor and reporting it here (IND_V).

Ah yes, personal happiness!



Odd that ranger thinks ergers get awards for spi or restricted rate pieces.
I used to say to him years ago:
"Rich: What do you do at the end of a race? Do you drop the rate and pace to get a higher spi score??"

Remember this? : A couple of years ago I challenged ranger to a 5k. He accepted. We were to post results on the same day. I erged the piece and
reported it... There was silence from ranger. That was well after the last C2 USIRT affair. The one after the one where ranger developed his rejection complex.

So now we're left with
perpetual ranger waffling
It's amazing to see how long it lasts. I wonder why he never gets tired of his procrastination about owning up to a peak performance....?
Time has just about run out for a 55-59 lwt age group mark of any consequence.
Roy has that sown up until well past the middle of January.. when TSO turns a shade greyer


One more reminder:
ranger doesn't have even one reported lwt IND_V 5k piece .. in his whole life!!!
What gives?
He would have a decent one I'm sure. I truly do not understand this in the least...
Over 100 million meters rowed is what has been claimed by are illustrious hero... His weight has been "just fine"...
I just don't get it...
Wow.
Zounds!
All we get from him is Estonian baloney!