Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

Shall I point out again what my current primary goal is with my rowing?

Sure.

But you'll be done with your OTW rowing in the middle of October, a month before BIRC.

So, if you don't show up at BIRC, you're just a bunch of hot air.

Chicken shit.



It would be fun to race at BIRC.

You'd go out at 1:44 and I will go out at 1:34.

And then, yea, it would be interesting to see what happens after that.

Will you break 6:50?

Will I break 6:20?

Yea.

It would be an exciting race.

Entertaining stuff.

ranger

[mikvan52]

Shall I point out again what my current primary goal is with my rowing?

Chicken shit.

Very poetic.

Back to the questions though:

I am curious to know what amount of time would elapse if ranger erged any firm 500m this week.

I am (also) curious to know what his heart rate was (along with his time) for the 5k he may have turned in for the Concept 2 Indoor Rowing Development Squad in 2007. (He and I went back and forth on that one!)

I am curious to know how his heart rate reacts to sustained erging at 13 spi (more than 5k). The monitor could easily be set up for 500m intervals for illustration of his cardiovascular fitness.

If ranger doesn't wish to provide this information, that is just fine with me.
Perhaps he'd like to tell us again why he won't comply with my calm inquisitiveness?

Be so kind as to stay on task!
Thanks.

[ranger]

Weight is relevant.

Nope.

Not if I pull 6:16.

The 60s hwt WR is 6:23.8.

6:16 beats that by 7.8 seconds, a _huge_ margin.

6:16 is also under the 55s hwt WR.

ranger

[ranger]

Chicken shit.

Very poetic.

Yea.

I like the alliterating affricate and shibilant.

Don't you?

ranger

[aharmer]

I see you're attempting to make weight by hitting the bottle extra hard last night (into this morning apparently). Maybe if you drink til vomiting stage it will help you drop a few pounds.

No, haven't done those trials, and cannot due to lack of skill, power and endurance. The only difference is I admit it freely. You know my age and weight. No need to be passive aggressive, just come out and say you're better than me. At least I'd respect you for manning up and not being a bitch. When I start claiming to be able to pull a number far beyond my capabilities you can start asking for proof. Until them let's stick to your complete bullshit and lies.

A three year old screenshot isn't going to do much for you at BIRC. Pretty sure they wont take that photo as evidence you can pull 6:20 and simply award you the WR. Might want to consider doing it again.

[PaulH]

Have you tried those three tests to see if you are ready to suggest the possibility of 6:16 for you, too.

Have you? Not now, obviously, but say since the US has had a black president?

[snowleopard]

O.K., try these:

500r30 @ 1:30.

1Kr24 @ 1:38.

If you did indeed perform these rows (as distinct from simply reporting them) in 2007 and you parade them as evidence of your ability to row 6:20 or faster, how is it that in the intervening years you haven't managed a sub 6:30 row?

[ranger]

O.K., try these:

500r30 @ 1:30.

1Kr24 @ 1:38.

If you did indeed perform these rows (as distinct from simply reporting them) in 2007 and you parade them as evidence of your ability to row 6:20 or faster, how is it that in the intervening years you haven't managed a sub 6:30 row?

I haven't been training to race.

And I have been working on technique.

I made a lot of progress up to 2007 learning how to use my legs, but I didn't put everything together with my technique until recently, when I dropped the drag and learned how to relax my shoulders at the catch.

Now, I am sharpening, too.

ranger

[ranger]

Have you tried those three tests to see if you are ready to suggest the possibility of 6:16 for you, too.

Have you? Not now, obviously, but say since the US has had a black president?

All three were done, as I went along.

Who knows for sure, but it is my guess that anyone who can do the three can pull 6:20 (or under) for 2K.

Happy to have someone prove me wrong.

Just post the screen shots.

ranger

[ranger]

I see you're attempting to make weight by hitting the bottle extra hard last night (into this morning apparently). Maybe if you drink til vomiting stage it will help you drop a few pounds.

No, haven't done those trials, and cannot due to lack of skill, power and endurance. The only difference is I admit it freely. You know my age and weight. No need to be passive aggressive, just come out and say you're better than me. At least I'd respect you for manning up and not being a bitch. When I start claiming to be able to pull a number far beyond my capabilities you can start asking for proof. Until them let's stick to your complete bullshit and lies.

A three year old screenshot isn't going to do much for you at BIRC. Pretty sure they wont take that photo as evidence you can pull 6:20 and simply award you the WR. Might want to consider doing it again.

Please put your age and weight in your signature.

That will help us assess what authority you have to make claims about these things--and not.

I am not citing things that I have not done.

I did the three tests I am suggesting to you, and we have the results, complete with official race results and screen shots.

Why not try the three?

See what you get.

If you do 1:44 for 1Kr24, my 1:39 indicates that I am five seconds per 500m beyond you, at least on this test.

If you do 1:36 for 500r30, my 1:31 indicates that I am five seconds per 500m beyond you, at least on this test.

Sit down and do a 2K without sharpening for it.

See what you get.

I you do 6:50, my 6:30 indicates that I am five seconds per 500m beyond you, at least on this test.

And so forth.

Then you will realize that what I am claiming is not unreasonable at all.

If you can pull 6:38 for 2K, someone who is five seconds per 500m beyond you can pull 6:18.

ranger

[macroth]

rangerboy, your latest unsharpened* 2Ks have been 6:41 and over, not 6:30. You pitfiul liar.


*In reality, all your training for the past 7 years has been "sharpening light", ie RWB at intensities much higher than what you think they are, much closer to 2k pace than marathon pace (as evidenced by your utter inability to even row 10k straight at those paces).** You never do what can be called distance rowing, because said distance never exceeds a few hundred meters at a time. Just endless fartleks, gasping for air and sweating buckets, year in, year out. And let's not forget that it takes you several races to reach your peak, with 6:4x.x being your best all out performance at the end of the season.

** Speaking of which, are you going to sharpen through to BIRC without having done a single distance row? No predictive 5k, 10k, 30', 60', HM, FM? Blasphemy!

[mrfit]

Yeah, what happened to the holy "Distance phase" ? Where are we going?

[hjs]

O.K., try these:

500r30 @ 1:30.

1Kr24 @ 1:38.

If you did indeed perform these rows (as distinct from simply reporting them) in 2007 and you parade them as evidence of your ability to row 6:20 or faster, how is it that in the intervening years you haven't managed a sub 6:30 row?

I haven't been training to race.

And I have been working on technique.

I made a lot of progress up to 2007 learning how to use my legs, but I didn't put everything together with my technique until recently, when I dropped the drag and learned how to relax my shoulders at the catch.

Now, I am sharpening, too.

ranger

Sharpening now ? next year this time you will again say you did not, just like every other year.




About rate 24 work, although it may seem that rate 24 is a lot below free rate, the extra pace one will get free rate is not that much. If for instance you look at this ctc. http://www.c2ctc.com/index.php?c_id=35 2k rate 24

and this ctc http://www.c2ctc.com/index.php?c_id=14 1k rate 24

You can see what people can do on this rate 24 work and on their free rate work. And many people don,t even do maximum efforts in the ctc, so that makes the difference between their ranked free rate work even less.

A 2k at rate 24 is on average done between 10/15 seconds above free rate work. If you look at the results of the ctc above you will find that, and by that I don,t mean picking one example, like ranger will do, but looking at the big picture.

The 1k r24 ctc.
First Ranger did this row far above 75 kg, second I did that same ctc in 3.10.0 (rate just below 24 spm) 2 weeks later I did a 6.23.0 2k.
So thinking that a 1.38.x 1k (his rate a bit above rate 24) would give him a sub 6.20 2k is ridiculous. Certainly given the fact that he was very well prepared for doing low rate stuff, he worked hard on his spi rowing with breaks method, so his free rate would have not given him much extra. At best he would have been just below 6.40 weighing far above the limite. So now three years older, he will be slower and if he gets down to sub 75, he will again be slower.

He also talks about rockets 1k that ctc, but what he does not tell is that Roy always did the ctc just to get a score on board, so his score was certainly not a 100% max effort. Dangy, I am always lying, does make it like it was a full effort, a pure lie he knows it was not!

So there is no comparing between his and Roys effort

[ranger]

About rate 24 work, although it may seem that rate 24 is a lot below free rate, the extra pace one will get free rate is not that much. If for instance you look at this ctc. http://www.c2ctc.com/index.php?c_id=35 2k rate 24

and this ctc http://www.c2ctc.com/index.php?c_id=14 1k rate 24

You can see what people can do on this rate 24 work and on their free rate work. And many people don,t even do maximum efforts in the ctc, so that makes the difference between their ranked free rate work even less.

A 2k at rate 24 is on average done between 10/15 seconds above free rate work. If you look at the results of the ctc above you will find that, and by that I don,t mean picking one example, like ranger will do, but looking at the big picture.

The 1k r24 ctc.
First Ranger did this row far above 75 kg, second I did that same ctc in 3.10.0 (rate just below 24 spm) 2 weeks later I did a 6.23.0 2k.
So thinking that a 1.38.x 1k (his rate a bit above rate 24) would give him a sub 6.20 2k is ridiculous. Certainly given the fact that he was very well prepared for doing low rate stuff, he worked hard on his spi rowing with breaks method, so his free rate would have not given him much extra. At best he would have been just below 6.40 weighing far above the limite. So now three years older, he will be slower and if he gets down to sub 75, he will again be slower.

He also talks about rockets 1k that ctc, but what he does not tell is that Roy always did the ctc just to get a score on board, so his score was certainly not a 100% max effort. Dangy, I am always lying, does make it like it was a full effort, a pure lie he knows it was not!

So there is no comparing between his and Roys effort

I would be happy to have Roy or Mike try 1Kr24 in an all out effort.

Free rate, Roy does 1K at about 1:37 pace; Mike, at about 1:39.

But I would be _very_ surprised if either of them could pull better than 13 SPI (1:44) at 24 spm for 1K.

You are not a quasi-60s lightweight.

So, the comparison to you (and other heavyweights, or younger lightweights) is what is illegitimate.

ranger

[ranger]

So thinking that a 1.38.x 1k (his rate a bit above rate 24) would give him a sub 6.20 2k is ridiculous.

No, it's not.

Pulling 15.5 SPI for 1K is substantial stroking power for a lightweight.

Richard Wilder and Mark Mitchell did 1:36 for 1Kr24.

In 2005, Wilder pulled 6:14/1:33.5.

So, it looks as though lightweights do 1Kr24 at about 2K + 2.5.

1:38 for 1Kr24, then, predicts a 1:35.5/6:22 2K.

This is also why Mike or Roy can't do 2Kr24 better than 1:44 right now.

Neither can do 2K better than 1:41.5.

ranger