Ranger's training thread

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » September 23rd, 2010, 2:23 pm

Yea.

Training is really over.

Now I am just doing that superfluous, predictable stuff that doesn't matter.

Busting a gut for six months, twice a day, rowing race pace until I drop.

And the like.

:D :D

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by bellboy » September 23rd, 2010, 2:26 pm

So we can safely assume that if he ever does get to BIRC his glorious new stroke will return to the "head bobbing up and down like a $10 Reno whore" style with which everybody is so familiar with? All that effort only to revert to type. 1000 posts or so on the subject too.Makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » September 23rd, 2010, 2:29 pm

mrfit wrote:Do they know anything or are they just guessing?
Oh, heck, we're _all_ just guessing.

No one know dick all about how to train to get good OTErg.

Good luck with it.

:D :D

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » September 23rd, 2010, 2:33 pm

bellboy wrote:So we can safely assume that if he ever does get to BIRC his glorious new stroke will return to the "head bobbing up and down like a $10 Reno whore" style with which everybody is so familiar with? All that effort only to revert to type. 1000 posts or so on the subject too.Makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside
Even with the drag up a couple of notches from 118 df. to 145 df., it is still well below what I used this winter (setting 10, not setting 7) and my stroking power is now quite a bit higher (13 SPI rather than 12 SPI).

32 spm is now enough to hit my target of 1:34/6:16.

3-to-1 ratio!

.62 seconds for the drive.

1.86 seconds for recovery.

Leisurely stuff.

My stroking power is up because I now relax my shoulders and push straight back at the catch, as I should, and more quickly, because against a lower drag.

So my head no longer bobs much at all.

13 SPI is perfect rowing for a lightweight of any age.

13 SPI @ 32 spm, 1:34 pace, is 10 MPS, the perfect ratio.

For my 2K at BIRC, I will just take 200 perfect strokes.

And the deed will be done.

I'll hit my target.

Time to sharpen!

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » September 23rd, 2010, 2:40 pm

I think it might be reasonable to claim that no 60s lwt has ever pulled much more than 10 SPI in a 2K race.

In general, little geezers aren't very strong--or quick.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by aharmer » September 23rd, 2010, 3:37 pm

Time to sharpen! Reading the recent posts it appears you will be doing a sharpening version of rowing with breaks. Conveniently this makes it difficult to show results in a screenshot, and allows the athlete to never take true ownership of where their fitness level is. Don't say your UT2 erging with breaks already showed you, because that is only true if you did true UT2 erging, which you clearly do nothing of the sort.

Is there any chance you'll do a true predictive sharpening workout in the next 7 weeks? 4x2000, 5x1500, 4x1000, 8x500 3:30, 6x500 1:00, others? Any of those would be interesting to see and would prove to us that you're ready to accomplish all you say.

If not why not just show us a pic of your rwb routine following your first stop. Knowing how far you made it, at what speed, and at what HR would be very telling as well.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by lancs » September 23rd, 2010, 3:46 pm

Of course, what we're seeing here is the annual unravelling of the Prof's training plan. This is something that has been repeated for most of the past 5 or 6 years. I'm assuming (and it is an assumption since none of us has actually any idea whatsoever what Ranger's training actually invloves) that because he wrongly assumes his UT2 pace is 1:48 he goes on to base 'sharpening' sessions on paces that are way outside of his capabilities. I've asked him several times this past few weeks that if his UT2 pace is indeed 1:48, then how come he can't pull a 10k at that pace? I've not got an answer, as you might expect. I do wonder whether he actually even starts any sharpening or whether after, say, 2 reps of an 8x500m @ 1:36, he has to handle down because of the lactate. Who knows? What I do know is that we'll see not one single 'sharpening' workout posted from him between now and WIRC or BIRC as this will merely confirm he is a mid-6.40's rower and no better. Let's not forget, before sharpening was to begin (which I think it has!?!?), we were promised the full raft of distance trials from FM down to 5k. Can anyone remind me how many we've seen? :)

Anyway, which takes me all back to what I always wonder at this time of year:

How will he manage to go on about a 6:16 for another year after pulling yet more 6:40's? :|

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » September 23rd, 2010, 4:33 pm

aharmer wrote:Reading the recent posts it appears you will be doing a sharpening version of rowing with breaks.
Indeed I will.

It's called interval training.

:D :D

For example, 8 x 500m (3:30 rest) at 1:34 predicts a 6:28 2K.

20 x 500m (3:30 rest) at 1:34 predicts a 6:16 2K.

4 x 1K, 1:34 @ 32 spm predicts a 6:16 2K.

1' on, 1' off is usually done at 2K, or for me, 1:34.

Etc.

I'll do all of this interval work at 32 spm, 145 df., 3-to-1 ratio, 10 MPS.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by ranger » September 23rd, 2010, 4:54 pm

aharmer wrote:Is there any chance you'll do a true predictive sharpening workout in the next 7 weeks?
Sure, dozens of them.

As I mentioned, I'll now be warming up, doing race pace and rate, and cross-training.

That's all.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by aharmer » September 23rd, 2010, 5:09 pm

ranger wrote:
aharmer wrote:Is there any chance you'll do a true predictive sharpening workout in the next 7 weeks?
Sure, dozens of them.

As I mentioned, I'll now be warming up, doing race pace and rate, and cross-training.

That's all.

ranger
Okay, great. So why will we not have seen any evidence of these workouts 7 weeks from now? Of course you don't have to show us, but you always promise to show them and never do. When should we expect the first screenshot of a sharpening workout?

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Citroen » September 23rd, 2010, 6:09 pm

ausrwr wrote:
theobfuscator wrote:It is more relaxing for me with the drag about 145 df., rather than 118 df. Relaxing in terms of peace of mind telling me that I might be able to get within a bull's roar if I thump the drag up and go back to hauling anchor.
I think there's be a slight failure in Al's parsing of the latest Rangernoise.

"... and go back to hauling anchor." There is no "going back" since he's never gone away from anchor hauling.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by Citroen » September 23rd, 2010, 6:14 pm

ranger wrote:
aharmer wrote:Is there any chance you'll do a true predictive sharpening workout in the next 7 weeks?
Sure, dozens of them.

As I mentioned, I'll now be warming up, doing race pace and rate, and cross-training.

That's all.

ranger
But you won't reveal any of the results as that constitutes "racing your training" and will also reveal that you can't get much below 6:50 as an overweight lightweight right now.

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » September 23rd, 2010, 7:46 pm

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mikvan52 wrote:Now we can look forward to months of nonsense from the preemptive quitter about how 145 drag came down from Mount Sinai engraved into a stone tablet with all those other pesky commandments
Nah.

I just reached out my grubby paw and jammed the drag lever up from setting 5 to setting 7.

No transcendental insight this time.

:D :D

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point taken.
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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » September 23rd, 2010, 7:52 pm

ranger wrote:
my head no longer bobs much at all.
Oh, Ricky-Bob...
Why is it, if you now row perfectly, that your head bobs at all? :? :?

How did "Baba-Louie" do on the Grand this week.. or is that now your Fluid (ranger's mechanical bucking bronco) put out to pasture for the foreseeable future... ?

"Big stroke theory" at its worst!

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Re: Ranger's training thread

Post by mikvan52 » September 23rd, 2010, 7:55 pm

ranger wrote:
I'll do all of (this) interval work at 32 spm, 145 df., 3-to-1 ratio, 10 MPS.

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one stroke at a time....
IOW: No posts of actual work done...

"Same old"... B)

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