Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

SPI is watts/stroke rate. period. You can infer NOTHING about ratio from it.

Sure you can.

For those about the same size (e.g., all elite lightweights) and rowing well, those who pull harder have a shorter drive duration.

At the same rate, cutting the drive duration raises the ratio.

ranger

[ranger]

If Kevin's goal is to get you to post a screenshot of your current rowing, he should certainly give up. Not a hope in hell.

When I do trials, I'll post the results, as I did back in 2007.

At the moment, I don't have the results of any trials to post.

I am just training.

ranger

[ranger]

This from the guy who only talks about pulling WR pace for a 59-year-old, even though the age group goes down to 55 and he can't actually get anywhere near the record...so he compares himself with rowers in older age brackets

For the last two years, I have been only three seconds off of the 55s lwt WR, rowing poorly, pulling at max drag, and without even preparing for it.

Rowing well (13 SPI) at low drag (118 df.) and fully sharpened to race, at BIRC 2010, I'll blow the 55s lwt record away.

My prediction is 6:20.

That is 18 seconds faster than the 55s lwt WR of 6:38.

It's five seconds faster than the 50s lwt WR, too.

It would be a 40s lwt BIRC championship record.

No lightweight beyond their 30s has ever pulled 6:20 at BIRC.

I am a couple of months shy of 60.

ranger

[macroth]

If Kevin's goal is to get you to post a screenshot of your current rowing, he should certainly give up. Not a hope in hell.

When I do trials, I'll post the results, as I did back in 2007.

At the moment, I don't have the results of any trials to post.

I am just training.

ranger

Sharpening?

[hjs]

SPI is watts/stroke rate. period. You can infer NOTHING about ratio from it.

Sure you can.

For those about the same size (e.g., all elite lightweights) and rowing well, those who pull harder have a shorter drive duration.

At the same rate, cutting the drive duration raises the ratio.

ranger

Nonsens as always, first there are differences in height and arms/leg lenght, this can en will make differences, drag will make a difference and strokelenght will make differences. So the same pace and rate can have quit a bit of difference in ratio.


Why are you always wrong, it almost seems your only talent.

[whp4]

Why are you always wrong, it almost seems your only talent.

Let's not forget about his other big talent — handling down during races, often several times!

[hjs]

Why are you always wrong, it almost seems your only talent.

Let's not forget about his other big talent — handling down during races, often several times!

I said almost hahahaha

Another talent is having a 100% score is failing to reach any of his targets.

[NavigationHazard]

Moreover for the body of his WR row (middle 1k) Stephansen apparently was at 1:30.6 r 37-39.

No.

You're confusing Eskild and Stephansen.

Stephansen is at 42 spm in the center of his 2Ks. With a faster start and finish, he averages 44 spm.

Back in the day, Eskild did the center of his 2Ks at 38 spm, with the wild start at 55 spm, and a faster finish.

ranger

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Muppet.

At the Danish championships Stephansen revealed his true speed. Starting the 2000m piece at half-slide with a stroke rate in the high 40s, Stephansen set his first 500m split at 1:28.8. For the body of the piece Stephansen held a 37 – 39 stroke rate and an average split of 1:30.6. In the finals sprint, with the roar of the crowd behind him, Stephansen increased his stroke rate to 40, then 42 and continued to raise his rate hitting 49 strokes per minute. Stephansen’s final 500m average was 1:28.4.

http://www.worldrowing.com/display/modu ... wid=324567

Eyewitness report from his coach on the record row.

[mikvan52]

When I do trials, I'll post the results, as I did back in 2007.

At the moment, I don't have the results of any trials to post.

I am just training.

ranger

Is it pointless to remind ranger that this is a training thread.... where....
training details can be posted as IND_V...

Row us a training piece Rich!

HR monitor hooked up (YES)
2k Piece selected to countdown (YES)
JUST ROW mode (NO)
JFDI (YES)
HTFU (YES)
eff-ing "A" (YES)
Rank it as IND_V so it's incontrovertable (YES)
Screen Shot (YES)

What's the big problem here (UNK)....

troll? (UNDENIABLY)

[BrianStaff]

Every day, I will also be OTBike for 90min and OTW for 15K (which is also about 90min).ranger

I understand that OTW means in your boat and actually on the water, but what exactly does OTBike mean?

Is that a stationary bike or On-The-Road?

[ranger]

Every day, I will also be OTBike for 90min and OTW for 15K (which is also about 90min).ranger

I understand that OTW means in your boat and actually on the water, but what exactly does OTBike mean?

Is that a stationary bike or On-The-Road?

It's just a stationary bike, my road bike up on a trainer.

It is most convenient for me to ride (and erg) in the early morning before it gets light, just so all the training I do doesn't upset the rest of my day and what needs to get done then

I usually row OTW when it gets light, just before sunrise.

Unlike Roy, Mike, Dennis, etc., I have a job.

ranger

[ranger]

Is it pointless to remind ranger that this is a training thread.... where....
training details can be posted as IND_V...

Other than sharpening routines, which are just like racing, the better part of good training for rowing, especially by a veteran, has nothing to do with timing.

You just relax and work--hard and long--hopefully, on a variety of things--endurance, skill, speed, strength, etc.

I do about four hours a day.

You certainly need to sharpen to row your best for 2K.

A couple of months of sharpening is worth about a dozen seconds over 2K.

But I have had the best 2K time in my age and weight division several years since I stopped sharpening in 2003 without sharpening at all.

Sharpening never made anyone better.

You get better by improving your UT rowing, as I have done.

UT rowing doesn't have to be timed.

In UT rowing, you just need to keep trying to row well.

If you do that, you will keep getting better, even if you are aging.

No 60s male has ever rowed well.

No 50s male has ever rowed well.

A few 40s males have rowed well, but I'm not sure any 40s males currently rowing do.

Elite 20s and 30s males row well, but all of the other 20s and 30s males out there thrashing away don't.

ranger

[ranger]

Row us a training piece Rich!

As your own rowing illustrates, the approach to training OTErg that you express here only makes you worse--year in and year out.

So why even bother?

ranger

[ranger]

When you sharpen, you take whatever potential you have built up in your UT rowing and get another 12 seconds over 2K, just as you did the last time you sharpened, given the potential you had built up in your UT rowing then.

If you are aging, your physical potential is declining.

So, if from year to year, you just sharpen, without improving your UT rowing, you just get worse.

And worse.

And worse.

And worse.

The whole story of what you can pull for 2K is determined by what you can do with a UT2 HR @ 20-22 spm for an hour, or two hours, or three.

Back in 2003, hauling anchor, rowing poorly (10 SPI) at max drag (200+ df.), my UT2 pace was about 1:52.

Top-end UT1 for me back then was 1:47, AT was 1:42, TR was 1:37, AN was 1:32.

Adjacent training bands are separated by five seconds per 500m.

Rowing well (13 SPI) at low drag (118 df.), I am now doing 1:48 @ 21 spm (13 SPI) with a UT2 HR.

Given this, I assume that one of these days I'll do a FM @ 1:48.

So, my improvement has been 4 seconds per 500m.

ranger

[lancs]

I assume that one of these days I'll do a FM @ 1:48.

So, my improvement has been 4 seconds per 500m.

Not until you actually do the FM @1:48 it hasn't. Until then, your only timed pieces since 2003 (several 2ks) have confirmed you have got slower.

I repeat, you have not improved until you actually row the piece. Without the breaks you've become so fond of too.

Anyway, this is moot since, as I've mentioned before, you are unable to complete 10K at that pace and rate.