Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

Please do video yourself erging at 54.5 spm. The world could use a good laugh

Back in the day, 55 spm was right about what Eskild used to do for the first 300m or so of a 2K before settling back into something more reasonable, like 40 spm.

Back in 2003, stroking 55 spm, I did 1:20 pace for 400m.

At max drag, rowing poorly, that's a killer, though, and I couldn't make it to the end.

It would be much easier at low drag (118 df.) rowing well (13 SPI).

ranger

[NavigationHazard]

So? You are not Eskild.

[KevJGK]

So your "impressions" have no foundation, unless you can explain what they might be.

The impression I get is that you are somebody who claims you can do things you cannot do. You claim you will do 8*500/3:30r @ 01:30. That strikes me as highly improbable based on what I can decipher from your training reports. As far as I can see you can not do a single 500m row at 01:30 and a 3 year old screen shot of a flat out 01:30.9 tends to confirm that.

[ranger]

So? You are not Eskild.

Stephansen makes 44 spm smooth as butter for six minutes over 2K.

Since he only pulls 11 SPI, rather than 13 SPI, I suspect he is in a 1-to-1 ratio, too.

.68 seconds for the drive.

.68 seconds for the recovery.

ranger

[ranger]

As far as I can see you can not do a single 500m row at 01:30 and a 3 year old screen shot of a flat out 01:30.9 tends to confirm that.

A rate restricted 500m, 1:30.9 @ 30 spm, exactly confirms my claim, if you know anything about rowing (or better, have tried to do this yourself).

In an 8 x 500m workout, I would now row well (13 SPI) at low drag (118 df.) and rate 36 spm.

While I am doing this sharpening, in the background, I will be rowing 20K/90min every other day, 1:48 @ 21 spm (13 SPI), with breaks as I need them.

Every day, I will also be OTBike for 90min and OTW for 15K (which is also about 90min).

ranger

[KevJGK]

As far as I can see you can not do a single 500m row at 01:30 and a 3 year old screen shot of a flat out 01:30.9 tends to confirm that.

A rate restricted 500m, 1:30.9 @ 30 spm, exactly confirms my claim, if you know anything about rowing (or better, have tried to do this yourself).

One thing I do know is that row was over 3 years ago and we are talking about now. I do not believe you can currently row a free rate 500m in 01:30.

[ranger]

In my 1x, I am in that 1.7-to-1 "golden" ratio at 30 spm, rather than a 3-to-1 ratio, as I am OTErg.

That makes sense.

Rowing a 1x is like pulling against a lot more drag than 118 df.

In my 1x, it takes my 3 beats out of 8 to get the drive done, rather than 2, as I now can OTErg.

OTW, my drive duration is something more like .75 seconds than .55 seconds.

At low drag (118 df.), the erg feels more than an 8 than than a 1x.

You can be much quicker; resistance is lower.

ranger

[ranger]

Nice 11K this morning OTW, after 15K OTErg and 90min OTBike.

ranger

[ranger]

As far as I can see you can not do a single 500m row at 01:30 and a 3 year old screen shot of a flat out 01:30.9 tends to confirm that.

A rate restricted 500m, 1:30.9 @ 30 spm, exactly confirms my claim, if you know anything about rowing (or better, have tried to do this yourself).

One thing I do know is that row was over 3 years ago and we are talking about now. I do not believe you can currently row a free rate 500m in 01:30.

Give it up, Kevin.

There is nothing productive at all in ignorant nay-saying.

Do something positive with your energies, like go for a row.

Lord knows, you need it.

Do you also trip old ladies on the street, just because you can?

Do something inspirational, rather than being such a sad sack.

ranger

[ranger]

One thing I do know

There isn't a shred of evidence that you "know" anything substantial about rowing.

You can't row a lick, and don't have a clue why not.

ranger

[macroth]

Give it up, Kevin.

There is nothing productive at all in ignorant nay-saying.

Do something positive with your energies, like go for a row.

Lord knows, you need it.

Do you also trip old ladies on the street, just because you can?

Do something inspirational, rather than being such a sad sack.

ranger

If Kevin's goal is to get you to post a screenshot of your current rowing, he should certainly give up. Not a hope in hell.

And I agree with you that pointing out your lies and dishonesty is just as easy as tripping old ladies on the street.

[KevJGK]

Do you also trip old ladies on the street, just because you can?

That's revealing. What analogy would you say your old lady comment has to our exchange?

[whp4]

It might be more respectable to challenge those in your own age and weight division, though.

This from the guy who only talks about pulling WR pace for a 59-year-old, even though the age group goes down to 55 and he can't actually get anywhere near the record...so he compares himself with rowers in older age brackets, and complains about the sportsmanship of someone else who challenges him to put up or shut up in similar fashion

[NavigationHazard]

Since [Henrik Stephensen] only pulls 11 SPI, rather than 13 SPI, I suspect he is in a 1-to-1 ratio, too.

Muppet. SPI is watts/stroke rate. period. You can infer NOTHING about ratio from it. Moreover for the body of his WR row (middle 1k) Stephansen apparently was at 1:30.6 r 37-39. To have rated 44 over all of it he would have had to have been r50 in the first and last 500s. That didn't happen, although he did apparently finish the last few strokes r49.

[ranger]

Moreover for the body of his WR row (middle 1k) Stephansen apparently was at 1:30.6 r 37-39.

No.

You're confusing Eskild and Stephansen.

Stephansen is at 42 spm in the center of his 2Ks. With a faster start and finish, he averages 44 spm.

Back in the day, Eskild did the center of his 2Ks at 38 spm, with the wild start at 55 spm, and a faster finish.

ranger