Ranger's training thread

[macroth]

If you have past and present achievements, and are training actively at a high level, you have every right in the world to project future achievements.

ranger

Just as long as present faith mends partial proof, right?

Keep dreaming, rangerboy!

[ranger]

If you have past and present achievements, and are training actively at a high level, you have every right in the world to project future achievements.

ranger

Just as long as present faith mends partial proof, right?

Indeed it does.

ranger

[macroth]

Last year, I pulled WR pace, nonetheless, without even preparing for it.

"Close enough" to the truth, aka a lie.

[KevJGK]

Given my record of achievements (both past and present, and soon, future)

If you have past and present achievements, and are training actively at a high level, you have every right in the world to project future achievements.

ranger

Projecting future acievements is fair enough but you can't have a record of future achievements.

[NavigationHazard]

Why are you trying to make my list for me? I'll be the judge of who's on it and who's not, thank you. You can have your own list, according to your own criteria, with yourself in the top ten places if you wish.

[macroth]

Projecting future acievements is fair enough but you can't have a record of future achievements.

Sure you can. The latest issue of Ranger's Record of Future Achievements is 277 pages long and counting.

[PaulH]

you've stopped excelling

The only way to continue to excel is to invest, learn, grow, and improve, as I have been doing, not just keep flailing away.

...

While you are investing, you can't be spending.

While you are learning, growing, and improving, you can't be performing.

And yet that didn't stop you making predictions about how you were going to excel within the next week/month/season for 5+ years. So clearly even you don't believe what you just wrote.

In the meantime, to quote myself: "Name a single instance where I've boasted about my achievements, or claimed that I'll do something and then failed to deliver."

[mikvan52]

One of the interesting tactics that TSO uses is to try to drive people off "his" thread with insults... Particularly is such a person has the upper hand in an argument...

Current Example:

I say that ranger might consider getting a coach to eliminate poor OTW form that he has developed on the erg. I supported my contention with Rich's inability to post an impressive time trial OTW. (Time trial NOT race)

His reply is to go on at length about how I'm a snob...

Your form of rhetoric is transparent and pathetic Rich.
Why not behave in a fashion becoming a winner in last year's erg standings? It would make you appear as if you had a shred of nobility.

In the cold light of this fall morning:
OTW laurels are not predicted this fall for ranger, the "life-long novice".
Pity!
I wonder when it will be that he'll drop his pursuit of any OTW title (ever)?
Perhaps I'm missing something. Is the batcave experience really that scintillating?

Oh, well:
Rich: Let me humor you with asking a question about the erg:
Consider this (again).
How can someone who trains "10 million meters a year, year-in year-out, be said to have not prepared to erg at or near peak for his capability?

Secondly: Why will you not sharpen for BIRC ... your last chance to try to surpass Roy Brook's 55-59 lwt WR?
An unbiased observer might well conclude that 5 years of training for this 55-59 mark has been 'PDARH'

* Pissed down a rat hole
I'm being a "snob" again.... My bad!

Why can't I remember that TSO is working "towards a goal" without any commitment to reaching it?

[ranger]

Projecting future acievements is fair enough but you can't have a record of future achievements.

I didn't claim that my record is in the future. It is in the past and present.

ranger

[ranger]

How can someone who trains "10 million meters a year, year-in year-out, be said to have not prepared to erg at or near peak for his capability?

To do your best 2K, you need to do a lot of AT, TR, and AN work.

You need to bring up your anaeorbic capacities, not to mention get used to rowing at high rates (35-40 spm).

Everyone gets about a dozen seconds over 2K from hard sharpening.

This is race preparation.

You are right, though.

This race preparation is only worth three seconds per 500m.

It is not everything.

In fact, it isn't most of the issue.

Last year, I pulled WR pace for 2K without even preparing for it.

How so?

I did it on the basis on my foundational, UT training, which in the end, is much more significant than sharpening.

The difference between the UT/physical capacities of a 20-year-old and a 60-year-old amounts to 15 seconds per 500m, which overwhelms any advantage that can be gained from hard sharpening.

Nonetheless, if you want to row your best, sharpening has a role to play.

3 seconds per 500m is not inconsiderable.

It is about the difference between WR times in two adjacent age divisions (e.g., 50s lwts and 55s lwts, 6:25 and 6:38).

ranger

[mikvan52]

Rich:
I still would like to know: How did that set of 2 x 4k OTW @ 24 spm go on the Grand?
If you missed it this week, will you go to r.26 next week?

and... How many meters can you go a constant speed of 2:10 per 500m (without a break) with your SpeedCoach calibrated at 0.968?

Respectfully,
"the snob"

[ranger]

One of the interesting tactics that TSO uses is to try to drive people off "his" thread with insults... Particularly is such a person has the upper hand in an argument...

Ah.

Thought so.

You don't have the courage to confront your weaknesses.

You think it is an insult to have them noticed and mentioned.

Truth hurts?

Guess it does--for snobs.

ranger

[mikvan52]

How can someone who trains "10 million meters a year, year-in year-out, be said to have not prepared to erg at or near peak for his capability?

Everyone gets about a dozen seconds over 2K from hard sharpening.


This race preparation is only worth three seconds per 500m.

So by your own contention: 1:40 pace will be lowered to 1:37 (6:40 becomes 6:28.... not 6:16....)

How will you get to 6:16? Super-extra-hard sharpening?

[ranger]

How many meters can you go a constant speed of 2:10 per 500m (without a break) with your SpeedCoach calibrated at 0.968?

I don't know.

I don't have enough open water.

And I am just getting to this in my OTW training.

I have just learned to row!

Rowing in open water and good conditions, without having to turn around, I suspect I will eventually be able to do 20K, 2:10 @ 24-26 spm.

When I race 5K OTW, I'll rate 30 spm.

ranger

[ranger]

How can someone who trains "10 million meters a year, year-in year-out, be said to have not prepared to erg at or near peak for his capability?

Everyone gets about a dozen seconds over 2K from hard sharpening.


This race preparation is only worth three seconds per 500m.

So by your own contention: 1:40 pace will be lowered to 1:37 (6:40 becomes 6:28.... not 6:16....)

How will you get to 6:16? Super-extra-hard sharpening?

Yes.

If I raced at max drag this year, with a cut slide, and without relaxing my shoulders, arms, and hands at the catch and during the swing of my back, as I did last year, fully sharpened, I wouldn't do any better than 6:28.

But I'm no longer rowing that way.

I now row well at low drag (118 df.).

This will be worth quite a bit over 2K, I think.

Rowing well at low drag (118 df.) is both more effective and more efficient than rowing poorly at max drag.

ranger