Ranger's training thread

[PaulH]

How not?

Because nothing significant changes between today and tomorrow that would change whether you could do a piece. So if you thought it was a good thing to do today, it should be a good thing to do tomorrow, whether or not you end up being able to achieve the piece.

Anyway, that's all spilt milk now.

A matter of the past.

Hardly the past; you missed a 2k piece you predicted (unprompted) that you'd do barely two weeks ago, when you said you were already rowing well at low drag. But I'm happy to be proven wrong. Predict a piece that you're going to do tomorrow, and then do it. I don't care what piece it is, or how long it takes, or how you measure it. It can be something that fits exactly with your training anyway, like X continuous strokes at Y SPI and Z SPM. Just predict it today and then do it tomorrow.

[ranger]

I now row well (13 SPI) at low drag (188 df.).

ranger

on the booze already ?

The ad hominem comments are pretty poor stuff, Henry.

They show your hand.

1:50 @ 20 spm, 118 df., is now very comfortable for me.

In my background rowing, while I am sharpening, I will do millions and millions of meters of it over the next six months leading up to WIRC 2011, when I will be 60.

The ultimate goal, I suppose, is to train myself to do 1:50 @ 20 spm (13.2 SPI) for a (continuous) FM.

ranger

[ranger]

Because nothing significant changes between today and tomorrow that would change whether you could do a piece. So if you thought it was a good thing to do today, it should be a good thing to do tomorrow, whether or not you end up being able to achieve the piece.

Sure, if you are a computer, or a video game, or an android.

But not if you are a human being.

ranger

[ranger]

Predict a piece that you're going to do tomorrow

Why?

Sure, I'll be doing "peices."

But discussing the process with an android is not my cup of tea.

Better plug back in and charge up your batteries.

You're running low.

ranger

[hjs]

I now row well (13 SPI) at low drag (188 df.).

ranger

on the booze already ?

The ad hominem comments are pretty poor stuff, Henry.


ranger

You are in denial, to be cured you have to take that first step, that drinking of yours is a big problem. Do something about it.

[macroth]

A "gaff (sic) in understanding"? "Gaffing in what you say" (sic)?

Really, professor, your students must laugh at you when you mangle the English language like that while pretending to teach them anything about poetry. It's the same sort of effect your videos have when you pretend to teach anyone about rowing.


Now let's see if I follow your reasoning.

You believe that sharpening will give you 12 seconds over 2K compared to your most recent, "unprepared" races, and that you will gain another dozen seconds or so from "rowing well" since you rowed badly up until this spring. End result, 6:16 2K at 13 SPI.

In other words, you should be pulling 6:40 right now, with no sharpening whatsoever. This wouldn't be a "good" 2k, just a standard starting point for a few months of sharpening ending in a 6:16 2k, right? Heck, if you're already rowing well, you should be at 6:28 already, with only 12 seconds of sharpening benefits left to reap.

You should remember that BIRC is only 8 1/2 weeks away. Last chance to go sub 6:38 as a 55s lwt! Hope you're planning on starting your sharpening soon.

So why is it that an unprepared 6:40 2K at moderate intensity is such a challenge or such a bad idea right now? Other than the fact that you aren't actually capable of a 6:40 2k at the moment, of course.

[ranger]

In the Wolverine Plan, 1:50 @ 20 spm (13.2 SPI) is Level 4 rowing for a 6:16 2K.

ranger

[ranger]

You believe that sharpening will give you 12 seconds over 2K compared to your most recent, "unprepared" races

No, sharpening gives you 12 seconds over 2K relative to what you might do for 2K with your current technique and UT training if you didn't sharpen.

ranger

[ranger]

Heck, if you're already rowing well, you should be at 6:28 already, with only 12 seconds of sharpening benefit

Sure.

As I said, in my AT training, I will have to do 4 x 2K @ 1:38.

This work is a process, though, like any other work at any other level of training.

At this point in my training, I don't want to do a 2K _trial_, with a max HR, in 6:28.

I want to do four 2K repeats, 1:38 @ 30 spm, given some generous rest, at an AT HR.

ranger

[macroth]

But you said:

No, sharpening gives you 12 seconds over 2K relative to what you might do for 2K with your current technique and UT training if you didn't sharpen.

ranger

Isn't your UT training done? And you're rowing well. So why is it a work in progress? Why no 6:28 right now?

[macroth]

At this point in my training, I don't want to do a 2K _trial_, with a max HR, in 6:28.

I want to do four 2K repeats, 1:38 @ 30 spm, given some generous rest, at an AT HR.

ranger

You want to do 6:32 2K repeats. At this point. Good. Can you? Why don't you?

BIRC in 8 1/2 weeks.

[ausrwr]

Good to see that your rate of posting has gone right through the roof, if not your rowing or your erging.

Anyways, isn't it time for you to go and get some sleep so you can regain energy to conjure up some new excuses for not going and rowing your Head of the Grand pieces tomorrow.

So, will it be excuses for not doing it, abusing others for doubting you, or what?

[macroth]

Here is _my_ advice:

Just get on the erg and row well.

Row well as much and as often as you can.

When you are not rowing well, stop, and try to figure out why not.

Then correct what you are doing wrong, and try again.

Just a tip, since you obviously haven't figured it out on your own: the reason you stop "rowing well" every few hundred meters and need to take long breaks is because you can't PHYSICALLY maintain your SPI/UT nonsense any longer. You aren't physically capable of "rowing well" for any significant continuous distance. You don't have the physical capacities required for a 6:16 2K.

Better wise up, prepare properly and give it all you can for a 6:37 in two months. As a 59 year old midweight, this should be your goal, and you should be proud if you achieve it.

[macroth]

Good to see that [ranger's] rate of posting has gone right through the roof

12:53 a.m., 1:27 - 1:29 (2nd edit), 2:41 - 2:59 (edit), 2:45, 2:53, 3:00, 3:22 - 3:28 (edit), 3:25, 3:54 - 4:20 (edit), 4:07, 4:11, 4:28, 4:30, 4:33, 4:43, 4:45, 4:47...

Poor ranger. Nodding off at 8 or 9 pm (wife barely home from work?) and waking up at 1 am. It's not because you don't need much sleep and like to do your erging early. You're just getting older. And slower. Life is life.

[mikvan52]

As your reply is of great length, I'll put my comment on top:

#1 It is irrelevant to talk about what a good calibration factor is for a Peinert when you row in a Fluid.

#2 I know next to nothing about Garmins but contend that the functions on a NK rowing device are of more use to a single sculler than the ones on the Garmin.

#3 If you do not care to know your real speed in relation to the body of water you are rowing on, that is purely up to you. However, if you parade your workouts as being of such-and-such a pace when you haven't taken the time to check your timer's calibration accuracy, you are being lazy and somewhat dishonest in portraying what you are actually doing.

#4 I agree with you that there is little need to know how fast you are going in real terms when you can see, by comparison of any data at the same calibration, whether you are merely speeding up or slowing down. I do this when I am sculling in borrowed equipment and do not see any practical value in checking timing devices that I won't be using regularly.

#5: Knowing my real speed in training (with a properly calibrated timer) reinforces my mental preparation for racing in championship regattas.

#6: The timer you have is not the same model as mine but I'm guessing that the formulas used in the governing software is the same. This leads me to suppose that if you own a recently produced midweight Fluid made from an identical mold as my boat with a factory installed impeller, you will have a hull that calibrates the same as mine.

#7 I have calibrated my timer to my hull and checked it dozens of times on a collegiate 2k course and on multiple race courses this summer. I have settled on a factor of 0.968. Everytime I row on an accurately measured course the calibration holds up and has proven true.
As you have yours on 1.000 this means that you are giving yourself the impression that you are going (1- 0.968) faster. This works out to 3.2%.... So, for example, If you say you scull at 2:00 pace per 500m pace, you are really going at approx. 2:03.8 pace.
Over a 3 mile head race course, this would work out to 3.8 seconds x 9.6 500's = 36.86 seconds.... That is many -many boat lengths.
Scullers who a separated by such a margin are not said to be quite close at the finish... in case you were wondering...

I look forward to hearing how it goes on the Grand today... You are still going, I am guessing (?)
24 spm non-stop for 4k

I did 2x4k one day and 2x5k on another on consecutive days this past week... It's good training.
Enjoy sculling in the Ol' NetherWind

Btw:
I feel that your statement:

1.0 must be pretty close to fine with the Fluid (snip)

I don't think this is all very relevant for me at the moment.

Knowing exactly how slow you are doesn't improve your rowing and make you faster.

is bizarre for a competitive athlete.

"Must be"..... (!) (?) How did you arrive at that conclusion? Divine inspiration?

Isn't the answer more like: "I want to be seen as faster than all others so I'll hang on to any shred of evidence, bogus or otherwise, that makes me appear as such.."

(Rich:)Which NK product do you have?

Rich: Which NK product do you have for recording your OTW workouts?

Let me know and I give you the calibration factor I use.
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BTW: You don't need me to do this... You could do the whole calibraton process on your own.
It would be interesting to see what you came up with! We could compare notes!!

Sure, I could just calibrate it myself with my Garmin.

Or you could just give me your calibration.

1.0 is fine for my Peinert.

I checked it with my Garmin.

This is my speed coach:

http://www.nkhome.com/rowing-paddling/speed-coach/

1.0 must be pretty close to fine with the Fluid, too, as my 15.5K row the other day indicates.

Three loops down to Barton Dam from my put in are just that: 15.5K.

Again, I don't think this is all very relevant for me at the moment.

Knowing exactly how slow you are doesn't improve your rowing and make you faster.

The point with training is to improve your rowing and get faster.