Ranger's training thread

[mikvan52]

I didn't go today.

Nothing lost.

Doing this, isn't entirely transparent.

No training is good training?

You're right: Your training isn't transparent, it's invisible.

While you're at it: Have your wife write your note of excuse for this coming Wednesday too ... when you fail to finish even one non-stop 24 spm 4k piece at sub 2:18.

[rjw]

Last year, no one my age came within 20 seconds of my 2K, even though I didn't even prepare to race, and was still pulling at max drag.

Rich - This is your Age category, no?

Looks like many were within 20 seconds.

Remember, don't let the facts get in the way of a good story!

• Indoor Rower | Individual and Race Results | 2000m | Men's | Lightweight | Ages 50-59 | 2010 Season
  Average Time: 7:50.2
  PERCENTILES
  90th 75th 50th 25th
  7:03.6 7:19.0 7:44.3 8:18.0
  Pages: 123456Next >
  Place [?] Name Age City State Country Time Source [?]
  1 Paul Siebach 51 Oakton VA USA 6:31.2 RACE
  2 Brian O'Neill 50 GBR 6:38.0 RACE
  3 Rich Cureton 59 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:41.4 RACE
  4 Steven Geary 52 Bluff South Island NZL 6:42.1 RACE
  5 Bernhard Köhler 51 Regen BY GER 6:45.3 RACE
  6 Mouss Hammachi 51 LE PERREUX S/M FRA 6:45.7 IND
  7 Michael van Beuren 57 Hartland VT USA 6:47.6 IND_V
  8 Paul Wenham 54 Holbeck GBR 6:47.8 RACE
  8 David Hosking 54 London GBR 6:47.8 IND
  10 David Hislop 53 Castle Kennedy GBR 6:52.0 RACE
  11 Jonathan Rich 56 Winter Park FL USA 6:52.3 RACE
  12 Tony Perez 52 Toulon Av FRA 6:52.4 RACE
  13 Greg Trahar 51 Eltham, London GBR 6:53.2 IND_V
  14 Steve Schmitt 50 Falls Church VA USA 6:53.5 RACE
  15 Eric Boyer 54 Paris Aspp FRA 6:55.1 RACE
  15 Michael Slavin 50 San Francisco CA USA 6:55.1 RACE
  17 Ernie Parizeau 52 Wellesley MA USA 6:55.8 RACE
  18 William Nugent 51 melbourne AUS 6:56.2 RACE
  19 Michael Van Der Linden 51 Mt Gambier SA AUS 6:59.1 IND_V
  20 Robert Sack 50 Burnt Hills NY USA 6:59.3 RACE
  20 Jean-Pierre Gorin 52 PLEDRAN (Côtes d'Armor UFAS FRA 6:59.3 IND
  22 Eric Winterbottom 58 Bodytalk GBR 7:01.9 RACE

[mikvan52]

Time-out!

We've got to admire Rich's never-say die attitude.... always facing 'unprecedented' odds... never returning to his WR status for 5 long years.. always failing... never quitting... blowing his plaintive little horn...taking all those cheap shots from the nay-sayers,,,, alerting the world of his future achievements ... coming soon: to a theater near you...

What a guy!
Long live ranger!

[ranger]

How was the HotG course?

It's a nice course, just one big bend, one bridge, and a lot of open water.

Byron was kind enough to take me on a tour a couple of weeks ago.

I am looking forward to the race in a month or so.

ranger

Sorry, I should have made my question clearer. Yesterday you said you were going to row the course today (3 times, no less). How did it go?

I didn't go today.

My wife wants to go with me, to walk along the river in Lansing while I am rowing, so I am going to go on Wednesday.

She had to work today.

Rowing was gorgeous here, anyway.

Nothing lost.

I will have to fit going up to Lansing with life more generally.

Doing this isn't entirely transparent.

ranger

[ranger]

No training is good training?

31K this morning, 15K OTErg, 16K OTW.

Great stuff.

Makes you feel _great_.

ranger

[ranger]

Rich - This is your Age category, no?


1 Paul Siebach 51 Oakton VA USA 6:31.2 RACE
2 Brian O'Neill 50 GBR 6:38.0 RACE
3 Rich Cureton 59 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:41.4 RACE
4 Steven Geary 52 Bluff South Island NZL 6:42.1 RACE
5 Bernhard Köhler 51 Regen BY GER 6:45.3 RACE
6 Mouss Hammachi 51 LE PERREUX S/M FRA 6:45.7 IND
7 Michael van Beuren 57 Hartland VT USA 6:47.6 IND_V
8 Paul Wenham 54 Holbeck GBR 6:47.8 RACE
8 David Hosking 54 London GBR 6:47.8 IND
10 David Hislop 53 Castle Kennedy GBR 6:52.0 RACE
11 Jonathan Rich 56 Winter Park FL USA 6:52.3 RACE
12 Tony Perez 52 Toulon Av FRA 6:52.4 RACE
13 Greg Trahar 51 Eltham, London GBR 6:53.2 IND_V
14 Steve Schmitt 50 Falls Church VA USA 6:53.5 RACE
15 Eric Boyer 54 Paris Aspp FRA 6:55.1 RACE
15 Michael Slavin 50 San Francisco CA USA 6:55.1 RACE
17 Ernie Parizeau 52 Wellesley MA USA 6:55.8 RACE
18 William Nugent 51 melbourne AUS 6:56.2 RACE
19 Michael Van Der Linden 51 Mt Gambier SA AUS 6:59.1 IND_V
20 Robert Sack 50 Burnt Hills NY USA 6:59.3 RACE
20 Jean-Pierre Gorin 52 PLEDRAN (Côtes d'Armor UFAS FRA 6:59.3 IND
22 Eric Winterbottom 58 Bodytalk GBR 7:01.9 RACE[/list]

Nope.

Not for this season: 2010-2011.

For this season, I am a 60s lwt.

You can check out what I do this year by noting the 55s lwt and 60s lwt standings on April 30, 2011.

ranger

P.S. Looks like Siebach can no longer break 6:30. And he's only 51. Oh well. I had six rows faster than 6:31 after I was 51: 6:30, 6:27.5, 6:28, 6:28.5. 6:29, 6:29.7. I was only a beginner then, though. I rowed like shit at max drag. I now row well at low drag (118 df.).

[nysaag]

It is just unbelievable... Ranger has already rowed a 6:41.4 race in the 60 ltw category even before he turns 60!!!!



rjw wrote:
Rich - This is your Age category, no?


1 Paul Siebach 51 Oakton VA USA 6:31.2 RACE
2 Brian O'Neill 50 GBR 6:38.0 RACE
3 Rich Cureton 59 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:41.4 RACE
4 Steven Geary 52 Bluff South Island NZL 6:42.1 RACE
5 Bernhard Köhler 51 Regen BY GER 6:45.3 RACE
6 Mouss Hammachi 51 LE PERREUX S/M FRA 6:45.7 IND
7 Michael van Beuren 57 Hartland VT USA 6:47.6 IND_V
8 Paul Wenham 54 Holbeck GBR 6:47.8 RACE
8 David Hosking 54 London GBR 6:47.8 IND
10 David Hislop 53 Castle Kennedy GBR 6:52.0 RACE
11 Jonathan Rich 56 Winter Park FL USA 6:52.3 RACE
12 Tony Perez 52 Toulon Av FRA 6:52.4 RACE
13 Greg Trahar 51 Eltham, London GBR 6:53.2 IND_V
14 Steve Schmitt 50 Falls Church VA USA 6:53.5 RACE
15 Eric Boyer 54 Paris Aspp FRA 6:55.1 RACE
15 Michael Slavin 50 San Francisco CA USA 6:55.1 RACE
17 Ernie Parizeau 52 Wellesley MA USA 6:55.8 RACE
18 William Nugent 51 melbourne AUS 6:56.2 RACE
19 Michael Van Der Linden 51 Mt Gambier SA AUS 6:59.1 IND_V
20 Robert Sack 50 Burnt Hills NY USA 6:59.3 RACE
20 Jean-Pierre Gorin 52 PLEDRAN (Côtes d'Armor UFAS FRA 6:59.3 IND
22 Eric Winterbottom 58 Bodytalk GBR 7:01.9 RACE[/list]



Nope.

Not for this season: 2010-2011.

For this season, I am a 60s lwt.

You can check out what I do this year by noting the 55s lwt and 60s lwt standings on April 30, 2011.

ranger

P.S. Looks like Siebach can no longer break 6:30. And he's only 51. Oh well.

Just what planet do you live on???

[NavigationHazard]

Planet Whackamole.

_Gorgeous_ morning here in Ann Arbor--sparkling clear, 50 degrees F., no wind. 16K OTW, after 15K OTErg. No biking. I'll do this 16K OTW for a couple of weeks and then add another 5K loop from my neighborhood (Foster Bridge) to Barton Dam, to make it an even HM.

12% less than advertised. If actually done in 20:48 for the loop (2:05 pace were it 5000m), factual pace would have been 2:23.8....

[rjw]

Rich -

You said:

Last year, no one my age came within 20 seconds of my 2K, even though I didn't even prepare to race, and was still pulling at max drag.

Apparently, in your age and weight division, many people came within 20 seconds.

However, your response

Rich - This is your Age category, no?


1 Paul Siebach 51 Oakton VA USA 6:31.2 RACE
2 Brian O'Neill 50 GBR 6:38.0 RACE
3 Rich Cureton 59 Ann Arbor MI USA 6:41.4 RACE
4 Steven Geary 52 Bluff South Island NZL 6:42.1 RACE
5 Bernhard Köhler 51 Regen BY GER 6:45.3 RACE
6 Mouss Hammachi 51 LE PERREUX S/M FRA 6:45.7 IND
7 Michael van Beuren 57 Hartland VT USA 6:47.6 IND_V
8 Paul Wenham 54 Holbeck GBR 6:47.8 RACE
8 David Hosking 54 London GBR 6:47.8 IND
10 David Hislop 53 Castle Kennedy GBR 6:52.0 RACE
11 Jonathan Rich 56 Winter Park FL USA 6:52.3 RACE
12 Tony Perez 52 Toulon Av FRA 6:52.4 RACE
13 Greg Trahar 51 Eltham, London GBR 6:53.2 IND_V
14 Steve Schmitt 50 Falls Church VA USA 6:53.5 RACE
15 Eric Boyer 54 Paris Aspp FRA 6:55.1 RACE
15 Michael Slavin 50 San Francisco CA USA 6:55.1 RACE
17 Ernie Parizeau 52 Wellesley MA USA 6:55.8 RACE
18 William Nugent 51 melbourne AUS 6:56.2 RACE
19 Michael Van Der Linden 51 Mt Gambier SA AUS 6:59.1 IND_V
20 Robert Sack 50 Burnt Hills NY USA 6:59.3 RACE
20 Jean-Pierre Gorin 52 PLEDRAN (Côtes d'Armor UFAS FRA 6:59.3 IND
22 Eric Winterbottom 58 Bodytalk GBR 7:01.9 RACE[/list]

Nope.

Not for this season: 2010-2011.

For this season, I am a 60s lwt.

You can check out what I do this year by noting the 55s lwt and 60s lwt standings on April 30, 2011.

ranger

.......would indicate that you are talking about this season to which you have no evidence -

AGAIN, facts getting in the way of a good story.

[ranger]

Planet Whackamole.

_Gorgeous_ morning here in Ann Arbor--sparkling clear, 50 degrees F., no wind. 16K OTW, after 15K OTErg. No biking. I'll do this 16K OTW for a couple of weeks and then add another 5K loop from my neighborhood (Foster Bridge) to Barton Dam, to make it an even HM.

12% less than advertised. If actually done in 20:48 for the loop (2:05 pace were it 5000m), factual pace would have been 2:23.8....

Hey.

Nice map.

I put in just above the bridge to the left of Foster Bridge.

My speed coach tells me that it is 5.5K per loop from there.

Is it right?

This morning I did three loops.

In a couple of weeks, I'll add a fourth loop.

ranger

[NavigationHazard]

Roughly another 1k from/to the far side of the bridge in question to Foster Bridge. So either your Speed Coach is off a bit, or you're steering a different line, or both.

[mikvan52]

Looks like Siebach can no longer break 6:30.

Another person might see it this way:

As a 50-55 lwt , Paul Siebach beat ranger's best ever lwt times twice.

ranger seems desperate to get out of the 55-59 group so he'll have less competition...
With bad karma like that, Brian Bailey's 60-64 WR is beginning to look more and more 'ranger-proof'...

[mikvan52]

My speed coach tells me that it is 5.5K per loop.
Is it right?

Did you notice that your speed coach came with a manual?

Turn to the section on calibration.
Your unit came pre-programmed with a calibration factor of 1.00.
This 1.00 factor is not correct for a Fluid Hull.
How do I know?
I have the same hull as you do and have calibrated my speed coach..

You know about these issues already but (again) you are desperate to appear faster than you actually are on the water.
When you actually race on a measured course the "emperors new clothes" will be seen for what they are.

If you ask nicely I will share my calibration factor with you. It has been checked over and over again all summer so I know that its accurate to within a very small margin of error.

[ranger]

My speed coach tells me that it is 5.5K per loop.
Is it right?

Did you notice that your speed coach came with a manual?

Turn to the section on calibration.
Your unit came pre-programmed with a calibration factor of 1.00.
This 1.00 factor is not correct for a Fluid Hull.
How do I know?
I have the same hull as you do and have calibrated my speed coach..

You know about these issues already but (again) you are desperate to appear faster than you actually are on the water.
When you actually race on a measured course the "emperors new clothes" will be seen for what they are.

If you ask nicely I will share my calibration factor with you. It has been checked over and over again all summer so I know that its accurate to within a very small margin of error.

Sigh.

O.K.

So what is your calibration factor?

ranger

[Citroen]

So what is your calibration factor?

RTFM at https://www.nk.com.au/cms.cfm?Section=AboutCalibration