Ranger's training thread

[ranger]

Byron--What pace do you expect to hold for the Head of the Grand?

Rich - Good smack talk, I like it.

If I were Byron, the reply would be silence. The time at the end of the race is what counts, not
the forecast. Not that you care, but my first head race was into a 30kt headwind - my pace was
not close to what I had hoped/expected, but just fine relative to the competition.

All the best for fun and speed in your first head race. Glad you are getting out and mixing it
up on the water.

Cheers. Patrick.

Patrick--

I have been rowing OTW for seven years.

So I have been mixing it up for quite some time.

Yea, you're right.

I don't care what Byron thinks.

If he could row decently himself, sure, then I might be interested.

But, really.

He still has a lot to learn himself.

So, what other course of action but silence is a reasonable response for him?

He is just a beginner, too.

He is in no position to give anyone advice about their rowing.

We're all in the same boat, if you know what I mean.

He should learn to row first before he presumes to be a coach.

Perhaps he should first do that 20:00 5K OTW, just to show he knows what he is doing.

Then I am sure that quite a few people might want to listen to him.

As far as I can tell, watching him row, he needs to get about 30 seconds per 500m to get anywhere near that.

ranger

[ranger]

Yep.

I'm now pulling 13 SPI at 118 df.

So all I need is 32 spm for 2K and I reach my goal, 6:16/1:34 at 60.

Started some intervals at 32 spm today, after 10K of 13 SPI at lower rates, 20-24 spm.

Three months of sharpening before BIRC.

Then another three months before WIRC.

Lots of rowing, 13 SPI @ 32 spm, should take care of business.

Back out OTW when the sun comes up.

ranger

P.S. I am back in Door County, WI, with my daughter, for a few days, before school starts next Tuesday.

[Steve G]

Yep.

I'm now pulling 13 SPI at 118 df.

So all I need is 32 spm for 2K and I reach goal, 6:16/1:34 at 60.

Started some intervals at 34 spm today, after 10K of 13 SPI at lower rates, 20-24 spm.

Back out OTW when the sun comes up.

ranger

P.S. I am back in Door County, WI, with my daughter, for a few days, before school starts next Tuesday.

Are you pulling the 2K later?, you may not have noticed it is September 1st!
Steve

[ranger]

I am just training, Steve, doing what I need to do to reach my goals.

Training isn't a spectator sport.

See you at BIRC.

ranger

[hjs]

Erging is simple, our body chooses the way it can give the most power. So in the end you always end up doing more or less the same.

Sure, initially.

But it is clear that, more generally, independent of personal preference, certain levers are more efficient, as are certain angles ("vectoral forces") and drags.

Sure, life is always simple, if you willing to settle for just being average--or bad.

ranger

Right





September first, the first no show this season Porky

It will the first of a long list again.

[ranger]

In a rough and tumble way, at 13 SPI, the 60s lwt WR is 26 spm, the 55 lwt WR is 28 spm, the 50s lwt WR is 30 spm, and the 40s lwt WR is 32 spm.

So, 26-32 spm might be good rates to work with on intervals during sharpening.

ranger

[ranger]

Sure, a 2K, 13 SPI @ 30 spm (6:28), would be nice first milestone.

I'll work toward that first.

Then go from there, pushing the rate up to 32 spm.

ranger

[mikvan52]

So...
We have it now that training discussions from ranger may be held in private msg. format...
I applaud this development.
It would be good to learn something from others hiding from the "broad daylight" of reality... .. doncha know!

One thing Rich might want to PM Byron about is the uselessness of using watts/stroke rate as a determinant of speed to get to a finish line on the water.
Case-in-point: Has anyone ever read analyses of races that include such concepts?

Well?.....?.....

Even measurements like span, inboard, total oar length, area of blade face negate the value of such a quotient (as SPI).
Then there's race course conditions...

I was just looking over some of the races (Masters Nationals) that are now available for download at the USROWING website. ====> Strong Headwinds <====== Such conditions yield slow times. To get such times the scullers had to expend the same amount of wattage as they do when they row fast times... And(!) they had to alter their form and stroke rates and (in some cases) rigging...
An appreciation of what a "clam" is figures into this too...

Look at the photo at the lower left:
https://www2.concept2.com/VIA/index.jsp
Those orange and blue "horse shoe shaped" thingies... What are they for, Rich? How would the affect stroke rate in a race.

[lancs]

I am just training, Steve, doing what I need to do to reach my goals.

Training isn't a spectator sport.

I think we can take that as a no Steve..

I was convinced you'd do your 2k as promised this time. Convinced..

[bellboy]

Be careful Mike. If the malodorous toad ever takes you up on your repeated offers to scull together be prepared for a withering critique a few days later. After all the greatest sculler never too have actually raced couldnt possibly be wrong with his assessment could he?!!! Shame he didnt do his promised 2k today. I wonder if he fell on his way down to the batcave whilst trying not to spill his bottle of whiskey

[chgoss]

So, you got a bit embarassed rowing with Byron obviously.. which is why we're seeing the attacks on him.

It should be noted that Byron hasnt said a single disparaging word about your rowing "performance".

There's a better way Rich, your life doesnt have to be like this..

[KevJGK]

This is ridiculous.

First you ask Byron for a pretty big favour.

Hey, Byron.

I see you are on-line.

How about taking me on a tour of the Grand?

Then after Byron (amazingly) agrees, you decide to belittle him?

WTF?

Got many friends Rich?

[ranger]

This is ridiculous.

First you ask Byron for a pretty big favour.

Hey, Byron.

I see you are on-line.

How about taking me on a tour of the Grand?

Then after Byron (amazingly) agrees, you decide to belittle him?

WTF?

Got many friends Rich?

I am not belittling anyone.

Coaches should know how to row first, no?

And I am a bit more demanding than that.

I think that coaches should actually be good at rowing.

I don't know what you think, but being (pretty?) good at rowing, I think, would be doing 5K OTW in 20:00.

As I said, if Byron can do that, I would be delighted to listen to him about how to row, and how not.

At the moment, I think that Byron is 30 seconds per 500m from a 20:00 5K OTW.

So IMHO, he has some practicing to do before he is in a position to hand out advice.

ranger

[ranger]

So, you got a bit embarassed rowing with Byro

No, not embarrassed at all.

My OTW rowing is just fine, as far as it goes.

I continue to get better every day OTW.

Put in another 10K today out of Europe Lake, after 15K on the erg.

I am consistently imbalanced to the right, so I was working on that.

Stiff cross-winds throughout, but that was also good practice for adverse conditions.

Revved it up very easily to 1:45 a couple of times.

When I am rowing well, I do a nice 7.7 SPI, 2:00 @ 26 spm, etc.

Delighted with that.

ranger

[ranger]

We have it now that training discussions from ranger may be held in private msg. format...

Who said that?

No.

However strange it might be, given that he doesn't even row well himself, Byron was going to give my pointers about OTW technique by PM, not pointers about training.

What in the world would Byron know about training?

ranger